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Re: WCAG 2 and browser ZOOM and font units

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From: Wolf, Jan
Date: Aug 14, 2008 1:00PM

Darrel said -
> The ASP.net framework upgrades (2, 3+, etc.) have improved quite a
bit, but I think there's a lot of bad habit hold-over from the earlier
transition to .net.
> Of course, none of that helps you in any way other than me saying I
empathize and wish you luck! ;o)

Yep, first there is the need to understand the issues (what is good
accessible code?) and then how to get the tool to produce that good
accessible code.

There is this big brick wall that I beat my head against, the graffiti
on it says "Business as usual" :(

BTW, Empathy and a wish for luck is very nice :)

Thanks!!


-----Original Message-----
From: Austin, Darrel [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:03 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] WCAG 2 and browser ZOOM and font units

> Yet my agency requires and hires
> programmers to design using .NET without any skill level requirement
> for
> CSS or standard compliant coding or for that matter accessibility.

This is partly MS's fault, as--especially with asp.net 1.1--there wasn't
much in the way that required developers to even grasp what CSS and
valid HTML and the like was.

A lot of .net developers are folks that were VB or Windows App
developers. ASP.net came along and MS gave them an IDE that pretty much
looked like things were done back in the days of writing windows apps:
drag and drop grid layout (ie, absolute positioning), style properties
(ie, CSS, or even worse, FONT tags), datagrids (ie, HTML tables), etc.
Most every standard HTML/CSS element was renamed into some more 'windows
apps friendly' term that basically allowed developers to not have to
figure out the web at that point.

And to compound the issue, a lot of the built in asp.net controls in the
1.1 framework would then generate really ugly HTML.

The ASP.net framework upgrades (2, 3+, etc.) have improved quite a bit,
but I think there's a lot of bad habit hold-over from the earlier
transition to .net.

Of course, none of that helps you in any way other than me saying I
empathize and wish you luck! ;o)

-Darrel