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Re: NAD v. Netflix: "This is a bad ruling. Really terrible."

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From: Ryan E. Benson
Date: Jun 30, 2012 10:03AM

> Costs range from $4-$6 a
> minute (per Glenda Sims and other wise folks).

Actually Elle, there is a company who is covered by a GSA contract
that has lower prices than that.

--
Ryan E. Benson


On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Elle < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> For what it's worth, captioning is not a very expensive process, especially
> compared to other accessibility initiatives. Costs range from $4-$6 a
> minute (per Glenda Sims and other wise folks).  Of course, even if it were
> $500 a minute, I'd still argue that it's a requirement on the basis of
> civil rights alone.  What will be costly are lawsuits for companies who
> disregard people with disabilities in their digitial production process.
>
>
> Respectfully,
> Elle
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Lucy Greco < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
>> Hi:
>>  I am glad you said all this. The one thing that bothers me about the
>> constant saying it costs too much! Is if more people did it would not.
>> Supply and demand. That's the economics here. And hay what is the problem
>> with putting more people to work? Just think of all the work in captioning
>> the archives of the library of congress . If they really want to make jobs
>> then start making access a priority smile
>>
>>
>> Lucia Greco
>> Web Access Analyst
>> IST-Campus Technology Services
>> University of California, Berkeley
>> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
>> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Morin, Gary
>> (NIH/OD) [E]
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 11:52 AM
>> To: WebAIM Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NAD v. Netflix: "This is a bad ruling. Really
>> terrible."
>>
>> This is the one that struck me really oddly: "This is what happens when one
>> values equality over the costs imposed by disabled people."  Sorry, but
>> yes,
>> equality is of higher value than "costs," just as civil rights aren't up
>> for
>> vote.  Aren't there costs of exclusion that can't be measured in
>> dollars/Pounds Sterling/Euros and the like?
>>
>> I recently saw a cartoon of an individual drowning, while a crowd of people
>> around him all stood there videoing the accident on their cell-phones,
>> rather than helping or even calling for help. As my grandmother would say,
>> after coming to America from the old country, "only in America."
>>
>> I know I'll be criticized for being "off-topic," but remember that we are
>> living in a time in this country where people in public are calling for the
>> death of homosexuals - see
>> http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/how-could-you-boycott-a-cookie - for
>> example.
>> With the safety of the internet, people seem to feel free to be
>> mean-spirited and to say things they normally wouldn't.  People who have
>> traditionally been the arbiters of the haves and have-nots are losing their
>> power and assumed-authority, and they and their wallets seem to be
>> threatened. So, criticizing the decision that streaming videos must be
>> captioned seems fairly tame.  Even Oliver Wendell Holmes 'advocated' for
>> eugenics or forced sterilization of "defectives."
>>
>> NOT A REPRESENTAION OF THE US FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OR ANY OF ITS DEPARTMENTS
>> OR AGENCIES.  RESPOND TO ME PRIVATELY AT <EMAIL REMOVED> IF YOU
>> WISH TO.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bim Egan [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 1:57 PM
>> To: WebAIM Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NAD v. Netflix: "This is a bad ruling.
>> Reallyterrible."
>>
>> Most of the hurtful comments seem to be down to selfish ignorance, though I
>> didn't have the patience to read them all.  Does anyone know if it's been
>> pointed out that disabled people aren't responsible for their condition and
>> that it could happen to anyone at any time?  Statistically one in six of
>> those people making light of the needs of disabled people could at some
>> point in their lives experience those needs for themselves.
>>
>> Bim
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ryan Hemphill" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>> To: "WebAIM Discussion List" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] NAD v. Netflix: "This is a bad ruling.
>> Reallyterrible."
>>
>>
>> >I didn't know people would talk that way in public.
>> >
>> > I guess the only thing about this that is a 'good thing' is that it
>> > points out something that needs to change, like racism.  Extreme
>> > behavior like this is something most people would object to, and for
>> > that reason alone I will probably be bringing your experience up in
>> > conversation going forward.
>> >
>> >
>> > - Ryan
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Susan Grossman
>> > < <EMAIL REMOVED> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:28 AM, Ryan Hemphill <
>> >> <EMAIL REMOVED>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I read that post.  That is disgusting.  The fact that the title is
>> >> > what
>> >> it
>> >> > is shows an incredibly callous attitude.  It's a weird situation.
>> >> > If
>> >> that
>> >> > guy saw a blind man who needed help to cross the street, he'd help
>> >> > - but when he thinks about "Blind People" in the abstract, helping
>> >> > them is seen as nothing but an unfair burden.  The move from
>> >> > singular to plural seems
>> >> to
>> >> > create a mental gap in empathy.
>> >> >
>> >> > There are such strange people in this world.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > - Ryan
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Am getting some of these kinds of words and push back from some
>> >> clients now too.  They call it big government and Welfare for
>> >> cripples - yeah you read that correctly, and in a corporate meeting.
>> >> Luckily the PM jumped in and stopped that line of talk by simply
>> >> saying it's a requirement, just like the Flash they wanted  - both
>> >> in the original RFP.
>> >>
>> >> This seems to be a side effect of a big symptom -  not helping
>> >> others, even to cross the street,  and is very disturbing.
>> >>
>> >> I don't get how so many people bought into this ugliness in the
>> >> comments, and bolstered each other into saying very very nasty
>> >> things, as if it was all OK.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> *Susan R. Grossman*
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>> >
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