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From: Mike Barlow
Date: Mar 29, 2016 3:20PM

Thanks Jonathan, I had seen that but, I always thought that some additional
instruction (such as "Fields marked with a "*" are required") were required
as well.
More for individuals with cognitive issues rather than visual (since screen
readers would mention that there's an asterisk as part of the field label).
But then again perhaps, I'm just being anal about somethings I've done
since forever.

*Mike Barlow*
Web Application Developer
Web Accessibility/Section 508 SME

Lancaster, Pa 17601
Office: 732.784.3047
Cell: 732.682.8226
e-mail: <EMAIL REMOVED>

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Jonathan Avila < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
wrote:

> > They have an asterisk next to the Email label for the Email field but no
> instructions (until AFTER you focus and leave the Email field) that the
> Email field is required.
>
> The asterisk is included in the accessible name of the field and is widely
> seen as a standard acceptable way of indicated required fields.
>
> Jonathan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On
> Behalf Of Mike Barlow
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 5:10 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] App development group for A11y and/or UX?
>
> Hmmm Cliff, I just tried checking out the digitalgov subscribe page <
> http://connect.digitalgov.gov/subscribe>; and I'm not sure but it looks
> like they have an accessibility/usability issue there...
>
> They have an asterisk next to the Email label for the Email field but no
> instructions (until AFTER you focus and leave the Email field) that the
> Email field is required.
> I can't pin my finger on the exact guideline that this violates but,
> personally, I never have required fields without clear instructions on the
> form before the form itself.
> The "You didn't fill out this field" helper is good but not if it only
> presents itself after the fact (which would require the user to backtrack
> in filling in the form).
>
> Now I know you don't have anything to do with the design of that site/page
> but it never ceases to amaze me at how poor state and federal sites are at
> complying with 508 federal regs...
>
> (sorry just had to let that rant out)
>
> Anyone else have any thoughts on that topic?
>
>
> *Mike Barlow*
> Web Application Developer
> Web Accessibility/Section 508 SME
>
> Lancaster, Pa 17601
> Office: 732.784.3047
> Cell: 732.682.8226
> e-mail: <EMAIL REMOVED>
>
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Mike Barlow < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
> > Thanks Cliff...
> >
> > *Mike Barlow*
> > Web Application Developer
> > Web Accessibility/Section 508 SME
> >
> > Lancaster, Pa 17601
> > Office: 732.784.3047
> > Cell: 732.682.8226
> > e-mail: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Cliff Tyllick < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> >
> >> Mike, to answer your original question, the U.S. GSA maintains the
> >> Web Content Managers Forum for employees of federal, state, and local
> >> governmental agencies, including public schools of all levels. We
> >> cover a variety of topics in our conversations, and the question
> >> you're asking would be right in line.
> >>
> >> Look into joining. You'll be glad you did. The URL for more
> >> information is www.digitalgov.gov/communities/web-managers-forum/
> >>
> >> Cliff
> >>
> >> Cliff Tyllick
> >> EIR Accessibility Coordinator
> >> Texas Department of Aging and Disability Services
> >> <EMAIL REMOVED>
> >> 512-438-2494 (o)
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> Although its spellcheck often saves me, all goofs in sent messages
> >> are its fault.
> >>
> >> > On Mar 29, 2016, at 3:05 PM, Mike Barlow < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Mike, while I'm not in a position to be of any assistance to you in
> >> > this process, I would like to get a copy of the list of "resources
> >> > for developers and end-users regarding iOS accessibility" that you
> >> > put
> >> together.
> >> >
> >> > Which brings up another point (that's probably best for another
> >> > thread,
> >> but
> >> > while I've go the thought here), does anyone know of a similar list
> >> > for Android development?
> >> >
> >> > *Mike Barlow*
> >> > Web Application Developer
> >> > Web Accessibility/Section 508 SME
> >> >
> >> > Lancaster, Pa 17601
> >> > Office: 732.784.3047
> >> > Cell: 732.682.8226
> >> > e-mail: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Mike Bicknell <
> >> <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi Kelly,
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for your response. We are involved with another school in
> >> creating
> >> >> the specs (an RFP or a bid) for the creation of an app. The app
> >> >> will be used by teachers of the visually impaired, some of whom
> >> >> will have disabilities including blindness, visual impairment, and
> >> deaf-blindness.
> >> >> Essentially, we don¹t want to end up with an app that isn¹t so
> >> accessible
> >> >> and not so user-friendly.
> >> >>
> >> >> A non-profit would be great. I believe the final bid will be
> >> >> crowd-sourced, so a private company might not want to invest a lot
> >> >> of
> >> time
> >> >> in talking with us. If that makes sense. (If a company (with an
> >> >> a11y
> >> and
> >> >> UX focus) wants to say hello outside of this listserv, that¹s
> >> >> fine. Who knows what will be needed in the future?)
> >> >>
> >> >> I did find lots of resources for developers and end-users
> >> >> regarding iOS accessibility, which I passed on. Unfortunately, I
> >> >> did not find a non-profit that guided the conversation or that
> hosted a listserv.
> >> >>
> >> >> Many thanks,
> >> >> Mike
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 3/29/16, 12:13 PM, "WebAIM-Forum on behalf of Kelly Lupo"
> >> >> < <EMAIL REMOVED> on behalf of
> >> <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> I can forward this request to a friend of mine (co-owns a
> >> website/mobile
> >> >>> app development company and is working with at least one client
> >> >>> in the accessibility field), but can I ask what you're looking to
> >> >>> do so I
> >> have
> >> >>> some idea of what to tell him?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Kelly
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Mike Bicknell <
> >> <EMAIL REMOVED>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Hello -
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Does anyone know of one or more accessibility and/or a usability
> >> groups
> >> >>>> for app development? Something like WebAIM, but for apps?
> >> >>>> Currently,
> >> iOS
> >> >>>> app development is our focus, but groups with a broader focus
> >> >>>> would
> >> be
> >> >>>> helpful.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Thanks,
> >> >>>> Mike
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Mike Bicknell
> >> >>>> Digital Research and Development Coordinator Washington State
> >> >>>> School for the Blind
> >> >>>> Office: 360-947-3331
> >> >>>> Main: 360-947-3300
> >> >>>> Email: <EMAIL REMOVED> WSSB Distance Learning:
> >> >>>> http://www.wssb.wa.gov/Content/offcampus/DistanceLearning.asp
> >> >>>> EPIQ 2016: http://quorumlanguage.com/epiq.php
> >> >>>> National Distance Learning Collaborative for BVIDB (Live Binder
> >> site):
> >> >>>> http://www.livebinders.com/play/play?id22216#anchor
> >> >>>>
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