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From: Jonathan Avila
Date: Jun 2, 2017 4:46PM

> The use of role="region" is non-valid and non-conformant, although in practical terms it is benign - today.

John, can you please provide a citation for role of region being non-valid and non-conformant?

https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#region

Jonathan

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-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of John Foliot
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2017 6:07 PM
To: Sandy Feldman
Cc: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Re-order page content

The use of role="region" is non-valid and non-conformant, although in practical terms it is benign - today.

If you can remove it, do so, but don't stay late on a Friday evening to do it - make it a regular maintenance task if you can.

At least, that would be *my* strategy...

JF

On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 4:59 PM, Sandy Feldman < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
wrote:

> I've been using role="region". I just double-checked and realized it's
> in the works and not one of the accepted terms. Should I cut that out?
> Or carry on on the theory it doesn't do any harm?
>
> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_the_region_role_to_
> identify_a_region_of_the_page
> Sandy
>
>
> On 2017-06-02 4:38 PM, John Foliot wrote:
>
> Hi Sandy,
>
> If you are talking about ARIA landmark regions
> (https://www.w3.org/TR/wai- aria/roles#landmark_roles), there is only
> a fixed taxonomy of region
> terms:
>
> - application
> - banner
> - complementary
> - contentinfo
> - form
> - main
> - navigation
> - search
>
> While it would be perhaps interesting to allow for an expansion of
> those landmarks (or the ability to create custom ones), we really
> can't do that today.
>
> > Would headings with those names be better?
>
> Yes,
> absolutely.
>
>
> However dealing with the "which should come first"
> question remains: First-time users should (MUST?) get the
> instructions first, but by your 58th log-in I suspect getting those
> instructions would be, at a minimum, useless, and at a maximum
> outright frustrating (with I suspect a majority being "annoyed"). Not
> that non-sighted users couldn't "deal" with always getting
> instructions first (it *is* trivial to jump ahead, and as you note the
> good use of Headings would certainly facilitate page navigation and orientation).
>
> JF
>
> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Sandy Feldman < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> wrote:
>
>> Would creating ARIA regions be useful here? Would it be easier to
>> skip the instructions and login if instructions were in a region
>> labelled "login instructions" and the login was in a region labelled
>> "login"? Would headings with those names be better?
>>
>> Sandy
>> On 2017-06-02 9:41 AM, John Foliot wrote:
>>
>> Specific to Joseph's question:
>>
>> Not seeing the actual design in question, I still will suggest that
>> for maximum usability (including sighted keyboard-only users) putting
>> the repeat action (Log-In) ahead of the (presumably) one-time, or
>> limited-time use of "Instructions" actually makes sense over the
>> aggregate: non-sighted users won't need to hear the instructions
>> **every** time they arrive at that page, only the first time (or
>> perhaps the first few times - but the log-in process will be, and become, a rote activity over time).
>>
>> (Think of this in terms similar to "skip-nav"... skipping over
>> repeated or non-needed content to get to the "meat" of the page in
>> question - here, to log-in.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> John Foliot
> Principal Accessibility Strategist
> Deque Systems Inc.
> <EMAIL REMOVED>
>
> Advancing the mission of digital accessibility and inclusion
>
>
>


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