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Re: The Accessibility of Browser-based Development Environments

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From: Yura Zenevich
Date: Aug 4, 2017 8:32AM

Hi Brandon,

1. Yes one of my co-workers Marco Zehe is the one helping me with testing
improvements before they land and finding existing and new accessibility
issues with DevTools. We have a list of accessibility bugs that we found
some time ago (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?idÞvtoolsa11y)
but it has not been updated in a little while because I was focusing on the
Accessibility tree inspector. If you are trying our DevTools, it would be
great to get some feedback or, even better, bugs filed for us to look into.

2. Changes that I mentioned regarding markup inspector accessibility and
some keyboard accessibility are part of already released version of Firefox
(you can open and try them in Tools -> Web Developer -> Toggle Tools)

yura

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 6:25 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs <
<EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> Hello yura,
> 1. Do you have any screen reader users who guide one through using the dev
> tools?
> 2. Do I need to install anything other than Firefox to get the latest
> accessibility changes?
> Thank you,
>
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
>
> On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Yura Zenevich < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> wrote:
>
> > This work is starting to being reviewed and landing in Firefox Nightly
> very
> > shortly - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id51468
> > cheers,
> > yura
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 10:20 AM, Jonathan Cohn < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Having an accessible tree inspector would be of great advantage to my
> > > sighted co-workers who are not very comfortable with a screen reader.
> > Right
> > > now they have to rely on my presence to check if what they did had any
> > > effect.
> > >
> > > Is there a way to encourage this work?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jonathan Cohn
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 9:24 AM Yura Zenevich < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi all (first time poster). I help out with Firefox DevTools
> > > accessibility
> > > > and indeed we landed improvements to markup inspector some time last
> > > year.
> > > > We also made overall keyboard accessibility somewhat better. Though
> > this
> > > > year has been slower, we have a commitment to a high bar for Firefox
> > > > DevTools accessibility this and next year. Later this year we are
> > > planning
> > > > on releasing Accessible tree inspector as part of our DevTools, for
> > > > example. Expect to see a lot more next year!
> > > > yura
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 9:47 AM, Beranek, Nicholas via WebAIM-Forum <
> > > > <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > One of my colleagues really enjoys the accessibility improvements
> > that
> > > > > Firefox has made to its developer tools. He uses NVDA with it. He
> > says
> > > > that
> > > > > they are very close to being made fully accessible, but he is able
> to
> > > > > inspect code.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nick
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
> On
> > > > > Behalf Of Jim Homme
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 8:52 AM
> > > > > To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> > > > > Subject: [WebAIM] The Accessibility of Browser-based Development
> > > > > Environments
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > I know that extensive work was done to make Firebug accessible. I
> > > thought
> > > > > I read that that work was brought into FFirefox itself. This
> prompted
> > > me
> > > > to
> > > > > want to see if anyone who is blind here has either good experiences
> > > with
> > > > > the development tools in either the newest Firefox, the newest IE,
> > > Edge,
> > > > or
> > > > > Chrome. I'm also wondering how Google is doing with Chrome
> > > accessibility
> > > > in
> > > > > general, and how the screen reader venders are doing with closing
> the
> > > gap
> > > > > from their side, since Chrome seems to be very popular among
> sighted
> > > > > vendors.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim
> > > > >
> > > > > =========> > > > > Jim Homme,
> > > > > Team Lead and Accessibility Consultant,
> > > > > Bender HighTest Accessibility Team
> > > > > Bender Consulting Services, Inc.,
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> > > > > accessible-technology-solutions
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