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From: Brandon Keith Biggs
Date: Aug 4, 2017 10:40AM

Hello yura,
I am wondering if there are videos or guides on how to use the debugging
tools with a screen reader?
From what people have said, there doesn't seem to be and there is a demand
for them.
Thanks,


Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 7:32 AM, Yura Zenevich < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> Hi Brandon,
>
> 1. Yes one of my co-workers Marco Zehe is the one helping me with testing
> improvements before they land and finding existing and new accessibility
> issues with DevTools. We have a list of accessibility bugs that we found
> some time ago (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?idÞvtoolsa11y)
> but it has not been updated in a little while because I was focusing on the
> Accessibility tree inspector. If you are trying our DevTools, it would be
> great to get some feedback or, even better, bugs filed for us to look into.
>
> 2. Changes that I mentioned regarding markup inspector accessibility and
> some keyboard accessibility are part of already released version of Firefox
> (you can open and try them in Tools -> Web Developer -> Toggle Tools)
>
> yura
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 6:25 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs <
> <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
> > Hello yura,
> > 1. Do you have any screen reader users who guide one through using the
> dev
> > tools?
> > 2. Do I need to install anything other than Firefox to get the latest
> > accessibility changes?
> > Thank you,
> >
> >
> > Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Yura Zenevich < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > This work is starting to being reviewed and landing in Firefox Nightly
> > very
> > > shortly - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id51468
> > > cheers,
> > > yura
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 10:20 AM, Jonathan Cohn < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Having an accessible tree inspector would be of great advantage to my
> > > > sighted co-workers who are not very comfortable with a screen reader.
> > > Right
> > > > now they have to rely on my presence to check if what they did had
> any
> > > > effect.
> > > >
> > > > Is there a way to encourage this work?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Jonathan Cohn
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 9:24 AM Yura Zenevich < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi all (first time poster). I help out with Firefox DevTools
> > > > accessibility
> > > > > and indeed we landed improvements to markup inspector some time
> last
> > > > year.
> > > > > We also made overall keyboard accessibility somewhat better. Though
> > > this
> > > > > year has been slower, we have a commitment to a high bar for
> Firefox
> > > > > DevTools accessibility this and next year. Later this year we are
> > > > planning
> > > > > on releasing Accessible tree inspector as part of our DevTools, for
> > > > > example. Expect to see a lot more next year!
> > > > > yura
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 9:47 AM, Beranek, Nicholas via WebAIM-Forum
> <
> > > > > <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > One of my colleagues really enjoys the accessibility improvements
> > > that
> > > > > > Firefox has made to its developer tools. He uses NVDA with it. He
> > > says
> > > > > that
> > > > > > they are very close to being made fully accessible, but he is
> able
> > to
> > > > > > inspect code.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nick
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
> > On
> > > > > > Behalf Of Jim Homme
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 8:52 AM
> > > > > > To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> > > > > > Subject: [WebAIM] The Accessibility of Browser-based Development
> > > > > > Environments
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > I know that extensive work was done to make Firebug accessible. I
> > > > thought
> > > > > > I read that that work was brought into FFirefox itself. This
> > prompted
> > > > me
> > > > > to
> > > > > > want to see if anyone who is blind here has either good
> experiences
> > > > with
> > > > > > the development tools in either the newest Firefox, the newest
> IE,
> > > > Edge,
> > > > > or
> > > > > > Chrome. I'm also wondering how Google is doing with Chrome
> > > > accessibility
> > > > > in
> > > > > > general, and how the screen reader venders are doing with closing
> > the
> > > > gap
> > > > > > from their side, since Chrome seems to be very popular among
> > sighted
> > > > > > vendors.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jim
> > > > > >
> > > > > > =========> > > > > > Jim Homme,
> > > > > > Team Lead and Accessibility Consultant,
> > > > > > Bender HighTest Accessibility Team
> > > > > > Bender Consulting Services, Inc.,
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> > > > > > accessible-technology-solutions
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