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From: Ben Regis
Date: Aug 8, 2017 10:04AM


Hi Sarah

The double alt reading just seems wrong then - can you copy the bit of HTML she's used for the figure and image?

Kind regards

Ben

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From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Sarah Ferguson
Sent: 08 August 2017 16:49
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Trying to find middle ground with a developer

Hi Ben,

She said that the site that reads better (in my opinion) throws HTML code flags. That site is still in development, as well. While she isn't willing to use that code as a solution, she is at least willing to keep tinkering, so at least there is that.

I haven't tried the escape key, I will see if that has an effect. thanks.

Regarding the caption, no the caption can be different. The alt text reads as a description of the whole (called figure), then again (same alt text) for the image. Then the caption will read.

Sarah

Sarah Ferguson
Web Accessibility Specialist
Department of Digital Communications
Brandeis University *|* 781.736.4259
www.brandeis.edu/web-accessibility


On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Ben Regis < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> Hi Sarah
>
> I'm not a fan of big menus for any site and it sounds like it's far
> too difficult to navigate. You said about another of your sites
> reading the correct number of items and that "She says that the code
> in that site is incorrect, so she won't follow it." - can you let me
> know what the address of that site is - it would be interesting to
> know what she thought was wrong with it.
>
> According to http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices/#menu the Escape
> key should allow you to exit the menu - at least that way the user
> wouldn't need to navigate back out again.
>
> With the image issue - are you saying that you can't enter separate
> text for the caption? So the caption will just use whatever is set for alt text?
>
> Kind regards
>
> Ben
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On
> Behalf Of Sarah Ferguson
> Sent: 08 August 2017 15:51
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Trying to find middle ground with a developer
>
> Sorry, Ben. It's not live and is on a secured server.
>
> Sarah Ferguson
> Web Accessibility Specialist
> Department of Digital Communications
> Brandeis University *|* 781.736.4259
> www.brandeis.edu/web-accessibility
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 7:32 AM, Ben Regis < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
> > Hi Sarah
> >
> > Is it possible to see the website?
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Ben
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On
> > Behalf Of Sarah Ferguson
> > Sent: 07 August 2017 20:44
> > To: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> > Subject: [WebAIM] Trying to find middle ground with a developer
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > We have an outside developer working on one of our sites. I've done
> > a review of the site and she's done a few rounds of fixes. We have a
> > couple of sticking points.
> >
> > **Hamburger menu**
> >
> > The desktop site has a hamburger menu. VoiceOver is reading the menu
> > as "*Navigation
> > 3 items*." The open menu actually has 3 columns with 28 items total.
> > You cannot currently navigate column to column, nor are the columns
> > ever differentiated by Voiceover. It's read as one long list. To me,
> > the user hears 3 items and expects 3 items. Getting 28 items at this
> > point is confusing. Furthermore, I feel that someone having to
> > backup through 28 items to close a menu with the toggle that opened
> > it, is
> asking a lot.
> >
> > I would be happy if it either announced 28 items and there was a way
> > to close the menu without backing all the way up, or if the user
> > could navigate column to column and drill into each column (at which
> > point I feel VO should also read the correct number of items in each column).
> > I've given her another of our sites that reads the actual number of
> > items. It is also much shorter than 28 items, so closing the menu is
> > less of an issue. She says that the code in that site is incorrect,
> > so
> she won't follow it.
> >
> > The main navigation has a similar issue. It is reading as 1 item
> > (being 1 list with several items).
> >
> > *Do you think it is ok to have the navigation menus read the number
> > of lists instead of the number of items? Any ideas for alternate
> > solutions or examples of sites you feel handle hamburger menu very
> > well?*
> >
> > ****
> >
> > **Image and caption**
> >
> > The second issue is the way she coded images with captions. Right
> > now, she has coded the image and caption as a figure in HTML5. This
> > is causing the "figure" (the image and caption together) to read the
> > alt text, followed by hearing the alt text again for the image
> > itself and then hearing the caption. I find this redundant. She
> > argues it is better, because this tagging method identifies the
> > caption as a caption and not just text. It links the image and
> > caption together. I can see that point, but the redundancy still bothers me.
> >
> > *What are your thoughts? Do you know of any alternate solutions for
> > making the caption and image be linked and label the caption as
> > such, without the alt text reading twice?*
> >
> > ****
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Sarah
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sarah
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