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From: Barthofer Michael
Date: Tue, Aug 09 2005 11:09AM
Subject: label without form-element
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hello everybody
I am currently checking a course registration system for the adult education centre in Linz concerning WAI-guidelines. on the page, where the user checks the data he entered in the registration form, our contractor uses labels in the code, even though there are no form-elements present (maybe its just a copy/paste-error).
what I would like to know is, how do screenreader handle this situation? will they ignore the label or read it? besides, the label-text is totally senseless at this point. e.g. "please enter your name" - where, if there is no input-element?
because this is no tailored solution just for us, but a standard product of the contractor, I would need "hard facts" against this misuse of the labels to initiate a change of the code.
example:
<label for="tedit_vornameid" class="left" title="Please enter your first name"> Vorname: *</label>
<span class="textsonstiges">Michael</span><br />
yours
Michael Barthofer
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From: Jan Eric Hellbusch
Date: Tue, Aug 09 2005 11:09AM
Subject: RE: label without form-element
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Hello Patrick,
> > A screen reader will only "fetch" a label when its focus is in a form
> > element. That said, only some screen readers will currently do that.
>
> Jan, don't have a screen reader handy at the moment to check, but: would
> the label be read out when the screen reader is not in forms mode, just
> treating it as any other text?
Certainly.
Screen readers usually have (at least) two modes when working with the
Internet Explorer: a reading mode (where LABEL is treated as any other
Text - without the semantics) and an edit mode (where forms can be
accessed).
Regs
Jan
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From: Patrick Lauke
Date: Tue, Aug 09 2005 11:09AM
Subject: RE: label without form-element
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> Jan Eric Hellbusch
> A screen reader will only "fetch" a label when its focus is in a form
> element. That said, only some screen readers will currently do that.
Jan, don't have a screen reader handy at the moment to check, but: would
the label be read out when the screen reader is not in forms mode, just
treating it as any other text?
Patrick
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From: Jan Eric Hellbusch
Date: Tue, Aug 09 2005 11:09AM
Subject: RE: label without form-element
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Hello Michael,
> what I would like to know is, how do screenreader handle this
> situation? will they ignore the label or read it? besides, the
> label-text is totally senseless at this point. e.g. "please enter
> your name" - where, if there is no input-element?
LABEL is, in fact, useless in your example,
A screen reader will only "fetch" a label when its focus is in a form
element. That said, only some screen readers will currently do that.
Regs
Jan
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