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From: Hoffman, Allen
Date: Tue, Oct 04 2005 2:00PM
Subject: Org charts
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Can anyone lay out a specific doable process people can use to produce
and web-publish org charts?
References to such info are welcome also.
Allen Hoffman
DHS : OCIO; Section 508 PMO
From: Robinson, Norman B - Washington, DC
Date: Tue, Oct 04 2005 3:20PM
Subject: RE: Org charts
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On Tuesday, October 04, Allen asked regarding [WebAIM] Org charts, "Can
anyone lay out a specific doable process people can use to produce and
web-publish org charts?"
Allen,
I don't have any references. I invented my own approach that
might work for you; simply number based on hierarchy and versioning.
This allows you to index the reporting structure based on sorting what I
call the "organizational sequence". It is odd in that it requires the
addition of another decimal indicator that indicates 'depth' of the org
chart. This is sometimes expressed badly by indention.
Example follows, describing a organizational sequence, a tab
space, and an organizational title:
1.0.0.0 President
1.1.0.0 Vice President
1.1.0.1 Assistant Vice President
1.1.0.2 Chief Technical Officer
1.2.0.0 Corporate Program Manager
1.2.1.0 Manager, Disaster Recovery
1.2.2.0 Manager, Corporate Security
1.2.2.1 Manager, Public Websites
1.2.2.2 Manager, Public Communications
1.2.1.1 Assistant Manager, Disaster Recovery
1.2.1.2 Business Systems Analyst
1.2.1.3 Special Programs Manager
Example finished.
The first real defect I see is that this model is best suited
for a strong organizational chain of command. It indicates subordanance
based on position on the numbering sequence. Of course, as with any
model, people expect it to model some unexpected things. One of these
items, seniority, should be tracked separately. This simply shows
organizational reporting order.
So in the above example, the President is the number one person
in the organization chart, since he is number 1.0.0.0. The organization
is four sequences deep as indicated by the numbering sequence. The
lowest member of the organization is listed as Special Programs Manager,
number 1.2.1.3. You can also determine that the Manager, Disaster
Recovery (1.2.1.0) and Manager, Corporate Security (1.2.2.0) report to
the Corporate Program Manager (1.2.0.0).
And, of course, this allows one to sort the org chart in an
spreadsheet. This makes it easy to see who is grouped with whom. I'm
sorry but the explanation for how to use this system is more complex
than simply using it. I provided another example after my signature in
hopes it helps clarify thing further.
Regards,
Norman B. Robinson
Second example:
In a ten person organization where there is a single chain of command
your organizational sequence would be a number (1 to 10).
Org #1, Person #1
Org #2, Person #2
Org #3, Person #3
Org #4, Person #4
Org #5, Person #5
Org #6, Person #6
Org #7, Person #7
Org #8, Person #8
Org #9, Person #9
Org #10, Person #10
In the same organization where 4 people reported individually to
separate managers, the organizational sequence would be #.#. The head of
the organization would be 1.0. The lowest on the org chart would be 1
Org #1.0: Person #1
Org #2.0, 2.1: Person #3 works for person #2. Person #2 reports
to Person #1.
Org #3.0, 3.1: Person #5 works for person #4. Person #4 reports
to Person #1.
Org #4.0, 4.1: Person #7 works for person #6. Person #6 reports
to Person #1.
Org #5.0, 5.1: Person #9 works for person #8. Person #8 reports
to Person #1.
Org #6.0: Person #10, reports to directly to Person #1.
From: Andrew Arch
Date: Tue, Oct 04 2005 5:20PM
Subject: RE: Org charts
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Allen,
Here is one option from a complex Australian Govt Dept - a page from their
Annual Report:
http://www.facs.gov.au/annualreport/2004/volume01/03_organisational_structur
e.htm
Cheers, Andrew
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Subject: [WebAIM] Org charts
Can anyone lay out a specific doable process people can use to produce
and web-publish org charts?
References to such info are welcome also.
Allen Hoffman
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From: Jon Gunderson
Date: Mon, Oct 10 2005 8:40AM
Subject: Re: Org charts
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Here is one example that I have:
http://cita.rehab.uiuc.edu/courses/2005-01-REHAB711NC/lec05/slide28.html
Jon
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From: Hoffman, Allen
Date: Tue, Oct 11 2005 9:20AM
Subject: Org charts
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Thanks to all.
I hope to prepare some instructional materials for people to use when
preparing accessible org charts. This feedback on the list is
invaluable.
What I need to complete is simple, clear, and doable instructions for
people who are used to drawing org charts, using tools like Visio, or
PowerPoint. The more complicated the instructions, the less likely that
the accessible versions will be created. I'd be happy to share when the
instructions are ready.
Allen Hoffman
DHS : OCIO; Section 508 PMO
From: Jukka K. Korpela
Date: Tue, Oct 11 2005 10:00AM
Subject: Re: Org charts
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2005, Hoffman, Allen wrote:
> What I need to complete is simple, clear, and doable instructions for
> people who are used to drawing org charts,
Simple instructions:
Create first a text presentation of the organization. You may use lists
(list markup), including nested lists, if necessary. Read it aloud, at
least in your mind, to check that it makes sense that way.
Then create whatever graphic presentation you like. Include a textual link
to the firstly created presentation onto the page where you have the
graphic presentation. Example (to be written before the chart):
<div><small>There is also a <a href="orgtext.html">textual
description of the organization</a> that contains the same
information as the chart below.</small></div>
If the graphic presentation is embedded as an image, use
alt="(Organization chart)" for the <img> element.
Note: It might be possible to write simpler instructions, or instructions
that require less work to follow. I don't think, however, that there are
any simpler or less demanding instructions that achieve accessibility even
at the absolute minimum level.
If you can't create an accessible version of organizational information,
it is better to admit and express that than to do something half-baked
that wastes everyone's (authors' and users') time, like adding
"accessibility features" to a presentation that cannot be, by its very
nature, accessible to all.
--
Jukka "Yucca" Korpela, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
From: Robinson, Norman B - Washington, DC
Date: Tue, Oct 11 2005 10:40AM
Subject: RE: Org charts
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I'd agree with a small change:
Instructions for creating accessible organizational charts:
1. Create first a text presentation of the organization. Check that it
makes sense when read aloud.
2. Create whatever graphic presentation is needed.
3. Include a textual link to the presentation created in step #2, onto
the page where you have the
graphic presentation. I.e., "Textual description of the organization
that contains the same
information as the chart below available via the orgtext.html file." Use
whatever linking is appropriate, e.g., The file "orgtext.html" (if
linked HTML), the URL http://agency.gov/presentations/orgtext.html (if
externally referenced), slide number 99. (if in presentation slides),
etc.)
4. If the graphic presentation is embedded as an HTML image, use
alt="(Organization chart)" for the <img> element.
Step #1 will help ensure someone listening to the information using a
screen reader can understand the information and supports Section 508
compliance.
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2005, Hoffman, Allen wrote:
> What I need to complete is simple, clear, and doable instructions for
> people who are used to drawing org charts,
Simple instructions:
Create first a text presentation of the organization. You may use lists
(list markup), including nested lists, if necessary. Read it aloud, at
least in your mind, to check that it makes sense that way.
Then create whatever graphic presentation you like. Include a textual
link
to the firstly created presentation onto the page where you have the
graphic presentation. Example (to be written before the chart):
<div><small>There is also a <a href="orgtext.html">textual
description of the organization</a> that contains the same
information as the chart below.</small></div>
If the graphic presentation is embedded as an image, use
alt="(Organization chart)" for the <img> element.
Note: It might be possible to write simpler instructions, or
instructions
that require less work to follow. I don't think, however, that there are
any simpler or less demanding instructions that achieve accessibility
even
at the absolute minimum level.
If you can't create an accessible version of organizational information,
it is better to admit and express that than to do something half-baked
that wastes everyone's (authors' and users') time, like adding
"accessibility features" to a presentation that cannot be, by its very
nature, accessible to all.
--
Jukka "Yucca" Korpela, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
From: Hoffman, Allen
Date: Tue, Oct 11 2005 12:40PM
Subject: Org charts
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I agree in principle with these instructions, but have to go further.
Of course this assumes people are starting from scratch, then there is
the other 95% who are only modifying these things.
They really just should call them re-org charts after all, what is an
organization for if it isn't a reorganization?
I am hoping to provide instructions like:
Using XXX (insert application name), a: for each level, do this, for
each relationship do this, etc.
I'd like to have a Word starting point that can be quickly converted to
HTML with a tool or some such.
Lots of folks put these in Visio etc.
Allen Hoffman
From: John Gugerty
Date: Wed, Oct 12 2005 1:20PM
Subject: Re: Org charts
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I would be greatly interested in your instructions for preparing
accessible org charts.
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Thanks to all.
I hope to prepare some instructional materials for people to use when
preparing accessible org charts. This feedback on the list is
invaluable.
What I need to complete is simple, clear, and doable instructions for
people who are used to drawing org charts, using tools like Visio, or
PowerPoint. The more complicated the instructions, the less likely
that
the accessible versions will be created. I'd be happy to share when
the
instructions are ready.
Allen Hoffman
DHS : OCIO; Section 508 PMO