Thread Subject: Re: revised 24 c-f proposal

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From: Tom Brett
Date: Fri, Mar 09 2007 10:00 AM

I would agree and would also suggest removing "training and informational"

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Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 11:49 AM
To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
Subject: Re: [teitac-video] revised 24 c-f proposal


> If the question is "should this language, "All training and
> informational video and multimedia productions which support the
> agency's mission." should remain, I would argue that should be
>removed.

This seems to be the general sentiment. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Therefore, how's this for proposed wording of 24(f):

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24(f) All materials that include interactive elements that
are part of the content must comply with 1194.21 [a-z] as well as
1194.24 a-e.
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?

Thanks.
Geoff

Tom Brett wrote:
> If the question is "should this language, "All training and
> informational video and multimedia productions which support the
> agency's mission." should remain, I would argue that should be removed.
> This would mean that any audio/video that an agency produces would need
> to have captioning, alternate text presentation or audio descriptions
> even if the item does not support the agency's mission.
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> Grants really are not addressed in the 508 standards.
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> An open ended grant no. But your specific example was a grant to create
> a video; which I think fits. Not that I think this is a very germaine
> argument to whether the language is necessary though.
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> Sean Hayes
> Standards and Policy Team
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> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] *On Behalf Of *Tom Brett
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> *Subject:* Re: [teitac-video] revised 24 c-f proposal
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> Grants aren't really a procurement action that would be covered.
> Grants are when the government gives you money and says ok you can
> spend it anyway you like as long as you meet the goals. There has
> been a great deal of discussion in the federal 508 community on the
> subject of grants but there hasn't been resolutions to the question
> are grants covered by 508.
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> If the agency is paying for it then it supports their mission (which
> in this case is presumably some form of
> charity/philanthropy/development).
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> Although I agree the wording is unneccesary, as it implies there is
> some category of material which doesn't need to be captioned. If
> this is the case (which I doubt), then lets write down what it is as
> an exception.
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> Sean Hayes
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> Standards and Policy Team
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> Accessible Technology Group
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> Microsoft
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> mob +44 7977 455002
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> office +44 117 9719730
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> One example I could think of would be where an agency provides a
> grant to an entity to produce an interactive product for an audience
> other than the Federal Government.
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> Jessica:
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> Off the top of my head I'm trying to envision a situation where a
> presentation such would not support the agency's mission or be used
> to train staff. I like the language because it indicates that
> materials put out to staff and/or the public serving the purpose of
> accomplishing a task for the agency are required to be accessible.
> Could you suggest a hypothetical situation where something might
> fall through the cracks?
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> Nick Truesdell
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> Brodey
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> Geoff:
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> I don't like the "supports the agency's mission or provides training
> for agency personnel" language in 24f. We don't have that
> limitation for any of the other sections, and it seems that some
> lesser level of access is required for interactive elements.
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> Jessica Brodey
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> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 3:39 PM
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> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
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> Subject: [teitac-video] revised 24 c-f proposal
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> hi, everybody:
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> below is the revised 24 c-f proposal, incorporating the comments
> from yesterday's call and some of the discussion on the list today.
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> further comments?
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> thanks.
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> geoff.
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> 24(c) All training and informational materials containing video and/
> or audio which support the agency's mission, regardless of format,
> that contain speech or other audio information necessary for the
> comprehension of the content, must comply with the following:
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> 1) materials containing prerecorded audio and no additional time-
> based content must provide either a transcript or synchronized
captions.
>
> 2) materials containing prerecorded video with concurrent audio must
> provide synchronized captions and may offer a transcript in addition
> to, but not in place of, the captions.
>
> 3) materials containing real-time audio, with or without video, must
> provide synchronized real-time captions.
>
>
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> 24(d) All training and informational materials containing video and/
> or audio which support the agency's mission, regardless of format,
> that contain visual information necessary for the comprehension of
> the content, must comply with the following:
>
>
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> 1) materials containing prerecorded video and no audio or other
> additional time-based content must provide either a separate text
> description of the video or provide an additional audio track to
> convey the informational content of the video.
>
> 2) materials containing prerecorded video with concurrent audio must
> provide synchronized audio descriptions, or a separate text
> description of the video, to convey the informational content of the
> video.
>
> 3 materials containing live video must provide synchronized audio
> descriptions in real time to convey the informational content of the
> video.
>
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> 24(e) At time of playback, audio descriptions and captions must be
> either (a) permanently presented to all recipients ("open") or (b)
> capable of being turned on and off by each individual recipient
>
> ("closed") or, in the case of group viewings, by the group.
>
>
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> 24(f) If the production supports the agency's mission or provides
> training for agency personnel and includes interactive elements that
> are part of the content, compliance with 1194.21 [a-z] is required
> in addition to compliance with 1194.24 a-e.
>
>
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> ======
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