Thread Subject: Re: revised 24 c-f proposal [pleaseremove "permanently"

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From: Gregg Vanderheiden
Date: Fri, Mar 09 2007 12:45 PM

I thought I address that by saying that they were permanently part of the
video TRACK.



We can change permanently to another word that means permanent but it won't
help.



Do you think they would have the same problem with the proposed rewrite ?
(I know 'permanent' was a problem with the old wording)



Thanks




Gregg
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Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 12:14 PM
To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
Subject: Re: [teitac-video] revised 24 c-f proposal [please remove
"permanently"

Gregg,

Thanks, but what is important is that the term "permanently" be removed.
Can you offer a rewrite [please see mine, below] without that term?

Thanks again,

Jean




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Vanderheiden
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 10:11 PM
To: 'TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee'
Subject: Re: [teitac-video] revised 24 c-f proposal



Even closed captions are presented to all people viewing the video (at that
time) so that may also be confusing.



Hmmm



Maybe

At the time of playback, audio descriptions and captions must be either (a)
permanently part of the video image and sound track ("open") OR (b) capable
of being turned on and off by each individual recipient ("closed") or, in
the case of group viewings, by the group.




Gregg
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Subject: Re: [teitac-video] revised 24 c-f proposal

March 8, 2007



Geoff,



The term "permanently" in section 24(e) "At time of playback, audio
descriptions and captions must be either (a) permanently presented to all
recipients ("open") or (b) capable of being turned on and off by each
individual recipient ("closed") or, in the case of group viewings, by the
group..." communicates the concept of: this information will last forever.



If one thinks about it, the information displayed on the screen does
not stay there "forever," rather it changes within a matter of seconds,
minutes, etc.



Therefore, I recommend the following "At the time of playback, audio
descriptions and captions must be either (a) presented to all recipients
("open") and (b) capable of being turned on and off by each individual
recipient ("closed") or, in the case of group viewings, by the group."



Thanks for your consideration.

Jean Baronas

Sony Electronics Inc.





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Subject: Re: [teitac-video] revised 24 c-f proposal



Geoff:



I don't like the "supports the agency's mission or provides training for

agency personnel" language in 24f. We don't have that limitation for any of

the other sections, and it seems that some lesser level of access is

required for interactive elements.



Jessica Brodey



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Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 3:39 PM

To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee

Subject: [teitac-video] revised 24 c-f proposal





hi, everybody:



below is the revised 24 c-f proposal, incorporating the comments from

yesterday's call and some of the discussion on the list today.

further comments?



thanks.

geoff.



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24(c) All training and informational materials containing video and/

or audio which support the agency's mission, regardless of format,

that contain speech or other audio information necessary for the

comprehension of the content, must comply with the following:



1) materials containing prerecorded audio and no additional time-

based content must provide either a transcript or synchronized captions.

2) materials containing prerecorded video with concurrent audio must

provide synchronized captions and may offer a transcript in addition

to, but not in place of, the captions.

3) materials containing real-time audio, with or without video, must

provide synchronized real-time captions.



24(d) All training and informational materials containing video and/

or audio which support the agency's mission, regardless of format,

that contain visual information necessary for the comprehension of

the content, must comply with the following:



1) materials containing prerecorded video and no audio or other

additional time-based content must provide either a separate text

description of the video or provide an additional audio track to

convey the informational content of the video.

2) materials containing prerecorded video with concurrent audio must

provide synchronized audio descriptions, or a separate text

description of the video, to convey the informational content of the

video.

3 materials containing live video must provide synchronized audio

descriptions in real time to convey the informational content of the

video.



24(e) At time of playback, audio descriptions and captions must be

either (a) permanently presented to all recipients ("open") or (b)

capable of being turned on and off by each individual recipient

("closed") or, in the case of group viewings, by the group.



24(f) If the production supports the agency's mission or provides

training for agency personnel and includes interactive elements that

are part of the content, compliance with 1194.21 [a-z] is required in

addition to compliance with 1194.24 a-e.



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