Thread Subject: Re: Subpart A- Draft - CAPTIONS description

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From: Deborah Buck
Date: Thu, Mar 15 2007 1:25 PM

It appears that we have some disparate opinions on this issue. I encourage
other members of the workgroup to weigh in. We will gather the responses and
hopefully will be able to put forth a recommendation. Keep in mind that the
request for this definition came from the audio/video group and that
workgroup is also vetting language for consideration.



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They shouldn't.





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On Mar 15, 2007, at 3:31 PM, Gregg Vanderheiden wrote:





My suggestion was below that. I was just quoting what was in the report
first.



No - captions, can and do appear anywhere.




Gregg
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Subject: Re: [teitac-subparta] Subpart A- Draft - CAPTIONS description

Playing devils advocate- Will captions ALWAYS appear in the lower third of
the screen? Doesn't, or in the future won't, the user have the ability to
control where the captions appear? If we put this in the definition - does
it limit the technology and use?



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Please see my suggestion below in red.





On Mar 14, 2007, at 9:43 PM, Gregg Vanderheiden wrote:



This one clearly is in scope (grin)

Let me list the questions/ issues and then propose fixes where I can find
them.

Captioning
Captions are synchronized text display(s) of information that is presented
on the screen in an audio format. Captions appear in the lower third of the
screen as written representation of onscreen audio narration or spoken
dialogue, Captions are similar to subtitles, but also convey non-dialogue
auditory information that is important to the video, such as on- and
off-screen sound effects, music, and laughter that are synchronized with the
images on the screen.

1) the phrase "onscreen audio narration or spoken dialog" has two
problems

a. first - it messes with my head to think of 'on screen audio".
On-screen is a visual place - the audio comes from somewhere else.

b. Second - captions also cover audio that comes from people and events
that are offscreen.

2) Since we are trying to be international, you should know that in the
United Kingdom (multiple countries) the term captions is not used.
Subtitles is what they call both our captions and our subtitles.

So I would suggest a slight edit as follows. (But Larry and Geoff should
check this - they look at this more than I do)

Captioning
Captions are synchronized text display(s) of information that is presented
in an audio track. Captions appear as written representation of audio
narration or spoken dialogue, and other important audio events. Captions
are similar to alternate language subtitles that are synchronized with the
images on the screen, except that they are in the same language as the audio
and also convey non-dialogue auditory information that is important to the
video, such as on- and off-screen sound effects, music, and laughter.


Gregg

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