Thread Subject: Re: Definition of Product and E&IT

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From: McCarthy, Jim
Date: Thu, May 31 2007 11:10 AM

Addressing the point of changing to (a or among the) versus the as is
now in the definition and the fact that this would change the meaning.
I suppose my question would be is that a substantive change that we
cannot seek? I hope not because as I think Gregg suggests, there are a
lot of devices that in my view should be included that the word (the)
here excludes .
Jim McCarthy

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Just to clarify a couple of points.

The question on the table about "product" is whether to keep that as the
term used for shorthand of E&IT or does that word convey something too
narrow (focus on devices and not services or non-traditional E&IT.) Is
there a better term than "product" to use?

The current definition of E&IT uses the words "the principle function"
is not IT in which the word "the" does convey a singular principle
function.
So changing to "a principle function" or "one of the principle
functions"
would be a substanative change in scope of application.

Diane

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Subject: RE: [teitac-subparta] Definition of Product and E&IT


I would suggest that definition of product be left as is.


RE the edit to E&IT - t
We still have more work to do on this. the phrase "not the principle
function" is tricky and often mis interpreted. The examples helped to
clarify but with their removal it can lead to multifunction products not
being covered even if IT is a major function of the product because it
was not THE PRINCIPLE function.

Maybe if we change "THE principal" to "A principal" function of the
product.

That would still eliminate all the simple thermostats and hvac but would
not eliminate products that (for example) measured but then also
acquired, stored, processed, manipulated and displayed data as well.




Gregg
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Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.

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> Subject: [teitac-subparta] Definition of Product and E&IT
>
> PRODUCT
> Currently the term "Product" is defined as "Electronic and information

> technology." The subcommittee had discussed adding the word
> "services" to "product" in a number of sections (e.g. Application) but

> it appears with the definition of "product" pointed to the E&IT
> defintion that would already include the whole of what is covered
> given E&IT defines that universe. A suggestion was made that the term

> product could be changed if it inherently communicates something too
> narrow - perhaps to "system" as that is the substitution the
> subcommittee made in the E&IT defintion (see below) or some other
> term. Is the preference to change and if so to what -- or stay with
> product? (You could delete the term altogether, but then all the
> rules would need to use "electronic and information technology", all
> three words, in place of "product" throughout all of the rules, which
> is just more lengthy but is an option.)
>
> ELECTRONIC AND INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY
> The current proposed revision as presented at TEITAC is as follows
> (new language in CAPS and deleted language in [brackets]:
> "Includes information technology and any equipment or interconnected
> system or subsystem of equipment that is used in the creation,
> conversion, or duplication of data or information. The term
> electronic and information technology includes, but is not limited to,

> telecommunications SYSTEMS [products] (such as telephones),
> information kiosks and transaction machines, World Wide Web sites,
> multimedia, and office equipment such as copiers and fax machines.
> The term does not include any equipment that contains embedded
> information technology that is used as an integral part of the
> product, but IN WHICH INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY IS NOT THE principal
> function of that product. [of which is not the acquisition, storage,
> manipulation, management, movement, control, display, switching,
> interchange, transmission, or reception of data or information. For
> example, HVAC (heating, ventilation, and air conditioning) equipment
> such as thermostats or temperature control devices, and medical
> equipment where information technology is integral to its operation,
> are not information technology.]
>
> The recommended revisions in sentences two and three are primarliy
> editorial and are designed to align with suggested change in use of
> "product"
> terminology and to use the term "information technology" to cover the
> list in the third sentence without having to repeat all those words
> from the IT defintion in the E&IT definition. The deletion of the
> fourth sentence was suggested because the "for example" list of
> embedded IT seemed to cause as much confusion as provide helpful
> guidance. There were no specific suggestions for this definition at
> the plenary meeting but there was some general feeling that the issue
> of embedded IT was still confusing especially for procurement folks at

> an application level.
>
> Diane Golden
> NASCIO
>
>

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