Thread Subject: Re: Comparable Access

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From: Jim Tobias
Date: Mon, Jun 04 2007 12:10 PM

You're right, Deborah -- both "timeliness" and "efficiency", because they
are
2 different requirements.

I think "timeliness" is being used to rule out long delays, like waiting for
a
printed braille manual or the many public sector phone lines that serve
voice
callers right away but only collect TTY messages to be returned later. I've
looked through a thesaurus, and I think "timeliness" is still the best word
for this concept.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deborah Buck [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 1:16 PM
> To: 'TEITAC Subpart A Subcommittee'
> Subject: Re: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access
>
> The concept of efficiency and productivity was the crux of
> the initial discussion on comparable access. I believe that
> through discussions there was a recognition that other
> factors, such as timeliness, contributes to efficiency, but
> the concept of timeliness also needs to stand alone as an
> additional consideration. I don't believe that we are saying
> it is an either - or, but rather both concepts need to be included.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of
> Jim Tobias
> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 1:00 PM
> To: 'TEITAC Subpart A Subcommittee'
> Subject: Re: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access
>
> I think efficient is another necessary dimension. It means
> that the method required by the user must be productive, not
> arduous. For example, an application that is not screen
> reader compatible may have its own speech capability. But if
> that speech capability can only speak at 30 words per minute
> and can only spell words not in its vocabulary, it should not
> be an acceptable solution.
>
> ***
> Jim Tobias
> Inclusive Technologies
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> +1.908.907.2387 mobile
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>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hoffman, Allen [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 12:44 PM
> > To: TEITAC Subpart A Subcommittee
> > Subject: Re: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access
> >
> > I concur with Karen. Timely is not the same as efficiency
> and is the
> > term we should be using. it was timely, accurate, and
> complete from
> > my recollection.
> >
> >
> >
> > Allen Hoffman -- = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ; v: 202-447-0303
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> > [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Karen
> > Peltz Strauss
> > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 11:02 AM
> > To: TEITAC Subpart A Subcommittee; = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> > Subject: Re: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access
> >
> > Gregg is right. This is a really important point - all too
> often, the
> > information is given at a later time, when it is not as
> relevant, such
> > as a transcript of a meeting instead of interpreters or captioning
> > while the meeting is going on. Or a Brailled or electronic
> version of
> > something, weeks after sighted people get the printed version. I
> > watched this happen time and again when I worked in the government.
> >
> > Karen
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gregg Vanderheiden" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> > To: "'TEITAC Subpart A Subcommittee'"
> > < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >;
> > < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 12:22 AM
> > Subject: Re: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access
> >
> >
> > > Timely is included to make sure that information and access is
> > > provided on a timely basis. That is, if others have access to
> > > information or devices now
> > > - then people with disabilities should have access now.
> > >
> > > I think that would be timely - not efficiency.
> > >
> > > However having efficient access is also important.
> > >
> > >
> > > Gregg
> > > -- ------------------------------
> > > Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> > >> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf
> > Of David
> > >> Poehlman
> > >> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 6:47 AM
> > >> To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ; TEITAC Subpart A Subcommittee
> > >> Subject: Re: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access
> > >>
> > >> Hi All,
> > >>
> > >> The word timely here is not appropriate to its stated
> > function. We
> > >> need to find a better word. This has more to do with
> > efficiency than
> >
> > >> timeleness.
> > >> Lastly, there's a bit of stuff at the top of this
> message I quote
> > >> below that I don't understand.
> > >>
> > >> "<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns =
> > >> "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"
> > >> />"
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Diane Golden" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> > >> To: "'TEITAC Subpart A Subcommittee'"
> > >> < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> > >> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 11:52 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Thanks Robert. Already made that change based on the
> > discussion at
> > >> the plenary meeting. The following is the current
> version of that
> > >> section.
> > >>
> > >> <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns =
> > >> "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"
> > >> />
> > >>
> > >> "When determining if individuals with disabilities have
> > access to and
> >
> > >> use of information and data that is comparable to that
> > available to
> > >> individuals without disabilities, each agency shall ensure that
> > >> individuals with disabilities have access that is
> timely, accurate
> > >> and complete. Timely access includes consideration of the
> > speed with
> >
> > >> which a person with a disability can use electronic and
> > information
> > >> technology to access information or perform a task as
> > compared to an
> > >> individual without disabilities. Accurate and complete access
> > >> ensures that the information and data reflects the
> > intended meaning
> > >> especially when converted into another form or media. "
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> The rest of the discussion at the plenary meeting was concern
> > >> expressed at how this would (or would not) be used in
> > solicitations.
> >
> > >> I think the perception of the agency procurement people is
> > that this
> > >> would NOT be used in a solicitation, but used internally
> by agency
> > >> staff to evaluate if they are meeting the statute
> requirements in
> > >> delivery of access to employees and
> > >> the public. One option that might help address this would
> > >> be to include
> > >> this language in the Purpose section (rather than
> > >> application) as that is
> > >> where the reference to having "access to and use of
> > information and
> > >> data that is comparable" is found. Other thoughts/suggestions?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Diane Golden
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> > >> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]On Behalf
> > Of Baker,
> > >> Robert C.
> > >> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 8:07 AM
> > >> To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> > >> Subject: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I recommend changing the verbiage to the proposed
> > comparable access
> > >> provision to delete the phrase "and in a manner and medium
> > >> appropriate to
> > >> the significance of the message". The intended meaning of
> > >> this phrase is
> > >> very unclear.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Robert
> > >>

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