Thread Subject: Re: Biometric Language Discussion

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From: Jim Tobias
Date: Tue, Jun 05 2007 2:20 PM

I agree with Gregg and reiterate my preference for the term
"non-mechanically operated controls and keys"
because it provides clear parallelism with "mechanically operated controls
and keys", a term we already use with specific provisions attached to it.

***
Jim Tobias
Inclusive Technologies
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gregg Vanderheiden [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 3:51 PM
> To: 'TEITAC desktop/portable (hardware) subcommittee'
> Subject: Re: [teitac-hardware] Biometric Language Discussion
>
> I don't think a touch activated switch is a "measurement of a
> human physical trait"
>
> What trait is it measuring?
> I see Iris pattern, fingerprint, voice profile all as traits.
>
> I don't see speech recognition as a trait though. Just voice ID.
>
> And capacitance pattern (my unique pattern) might be a trait
> but I don't thing a capacitance switch would be.
>
> Trait means "individual characteristic" a particular
> characteristic or quality that distinguishes somebody.
>
> So I think we should keep "biometric" to the ID category and
> use another term for other 'switch like' biophysical activations.
>
>
> Gregg
> -- ------------------------------
> Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> > [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Randy
> > Marsden
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 1:24 PM
> > To: TEITAC desktop/portable (hardware) subcommittee
> > Subject: Re: [teitac-hardware] Biometric Language Discussion
> >
> > Here's what Wikipedia has to say about it:
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > Biometrics (ancient Greek: bios ="life", metron ="measure") is the
> > study of methods for uniquely recognizing humans based upon one or
> > more intrinsic physical or behavioral traits.
> >
> > In information technology, biometric authentication refers to
> > technologies that measure and analyze human physical and behavioral
> > characteristics for authentication purposes.
> > Examples of physical (or physiological or
> > biometric) characteristics include fingerprints, eye retinas and
> > irises, facial patterns and hand measurements, while examples of
> > mostly behavioural characteristics include signature, gait
> and typing
> > patterns. All behavioral biometric characteristics have a
> > physiological component, and, to a lesser degree, physical
> biometric
> > characteristics have a behavioral element.
> >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > I believe the technically correct word we should use it still
> > Biometrics (defined as "the measurement of human physical
> traits").
> > The correct term related to security identification is "Biometric
> > Authentication". Even though many think of Biometrics as only
> > security-related, the generic term is broader than that. But I can
> > see where there is confusion.
> >
> > What about using Biometric as an adverb such as: "Biometric Input"?
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------
> > Randy Marsden, P.Eng.
> > President & CEO, Madentec Limited
> > ATIA Global Policy Chair
> >
> > 780-450-8926 ext. 223
> > = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> >
> >
> > > From: "Gregg Vanderheiden" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> > > Reply-To: "TEITAC desktop/portable (hardware) subcommittee"
> > > < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> > > Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:17:19 -0500
> > > To: "'TEITAC desktop/portable (hardware) subcommittee'"
> > > < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> > > Subject: Re: [teitac-hardware] Biometric Language Discussion
> > >
> > > Hmmmmm
> > >
> > >
> > > Looks like we need a good alternate term......
> > >
> > > Looking for a term that means "requires presence of
> > particular body parts".
> > >
> > >
> > > Gregg
> > > -- ------------------------------
> > > Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> > >> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On
> Behalf Of Jim
> > >> Tobias
> > >> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 7:07 PM
> > >> To: 'TEITAC desktop/portable (hardware) subcommittee'
> > >> Subject: Re: [teitac-hardware] Biometric Language Discussion
> > >>
> > >> I agree with Gregg here: although a capacitive switch is
> > technically
> > >> "biometric" it's not what we mean elsewhere when we refer to
> > >> biometric. I'd rather reserve that word for the
> > authentication and
> > >> security type devices: retina scans, finferprint
> readers, etc. We
> > >> could call the other stuff "non-mechanically operated physical
> > >> controls" to distinguish them from the controls covered in 2.2.A
> > >> (force requirements, tactile discernability, etc.).
> > Putting the two
> > >> categories together may be technically defensible and
> clear to us,
> > >> but it will cause confusion among the lucky thousands heretofore
> > >> ignorant of our efforts.
> > >>
> > >> ***
> > >> Jim Tobias
> > >> Inclusive Technologies
> > >> +1.732.441.0831 v/tty
> > >> +1.908.907.2387 mobile
> > >> skype jimtobias
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: Gregg Vanderheiden [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
> > >>> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 5:08 PM
> > >>> To: 'TEITAC desktop/portable (hardware) subcommittee'
> > >>> Subject: Re: [teitac-hardware] Biometric Language Discussion
> > >>>
> > >>> We need to separate Authentication functions of biometrics
> > >> from things
> > >>> like
> > >>> touch screens. I personally would never call a capacitive
> > >>> touchscreen a
> > >>> biometric device but some people do. So we need to
> > separate those
> > >>> types of devices (heat activated switches, capacitive switches,
> > >>> gesture recognition devices, etc) from biometric ID.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Gregg
> > >>> -- ------------------------------ Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> > >>>> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf
> > >>> Of Debbie
> > >>>> Cook
> > >>>> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 2:08 PM
> > >>>> To: TEITAC desktop/portable (hardware) subcommittee
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [teitac-hardware] Biometric Language Discussion
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I believe that control and activation are the only elements
> > >>> that apply
> > >>>> to biometrics and covered E&IT. So I think they are
> > >>> essential to the
> > >>>> definition. Biometric forms of identification other than for
> > >>>> activation are not part of operating E&IT. So, I might drop
> > >>> the notion
> > >>>> of identification and assume that it is a subset of activation.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Possible wording:
> > >>>> When biometric forms of activation or control are used, an
> > >>> alternative
> > >>>> form of activation or control, which does not require
> > the user to
> > >>>> possess particular biological characteristics, shall also
> > >>> be provided.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>> From: < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> > >>>> To: < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> > >>>> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 8:57 AM
> > >>>> Subject: [teitac-hardware] Biometric Language Discussion
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On the con-call today, we started discussion on touch
> > >>> controls there
> > >>>> was split relative to biometric identification versus biometric
> > >>>> controls so that touch capacitive controls are considered
> > >>> part of 508
> > >>>> and how they impact the end-user.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The language for 1194.25(d) and 1194.26(c) is the same
> and is as
> > >>>> follows:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> When biometric forms of user identification or control
> > >> are used, an
> > >>>> alternative form of identification or activation,
> which does not
> > >>>> require the user to possess particular biological
> > >> characteristics,
> > >>>> shall also be provided.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The proposal is to remove the "or control" and "or activation"
> > >>>> sections.
> > >>>> This changes the language to focus on the Biometric
> > >> identification
> > >>>> element. The control element would then need to be
> > >> integrated into
> > >>>> the overall controls discussion.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thus, the new language would be:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> When biometric forms of user identification are used, an
> > >>> alternative
> > >>>> form of identification, which does not require the user
> > >> to possess
> > >>>> particular biological characteristics, shall also be provided.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Please comment and discuss...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Rob
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Rob Nerhood | Experience Design Group | Ergonomics
> > >>> Engineer Dell,
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