Thread Subject: Re: Biometric Language Discussion

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From: Randy Marsden
Date: Tue, Jun 05 2007 3:40 PM

I agree. (I knew if I just got Gregg thinking, he'd come up with
something...) :-)

-Rnady
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Randy Marsden, P.Eng.
President & CEO, Madentec Limited
ATIA Global Policy Chair

780-450-8926 ext. 223
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> Reply-To: "TEITAC desktop/portable (hardware) subcommittee"
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> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:54:13 -0500
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> Subject: Re: [teitac-hardware] Biometric Language Discussion
>
> You may have an option to consider with "biophysical". Biophysical
> suggests that interaction relies on physical and biological
> characteristic of the user.
>
> Rob
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Gregg
> Vanderheiden
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 2:51 PM
> To: 'TEITAC desktop/portable (hardware) subcommittee'
> Subject: Re: [teitac-hardware] Biometric Language Discussion
>
> I don't think a touch activated switch is a "measurement of a human
> physical
> trait"
>
> What trait is it measuring?
> I see Iris pattern, fingerprint, voice profile all as traits.
>
> I don't see speech recognition as a trait though. Just voice ID.
>
> And capacitance pattern (my unique pattern) might be a trait but I don't
> thing a capacitance switch would be.
>
> Trait means "individual characteristic" a particular characteristic or
> quality that distinguishes somebody.
>
> So I think we should keep "biometric" to the ID category and use another
> term for other 'switch like' biophysical activations.
>
>
> Gregg
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> Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of
>> Randy Marsden
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 1:24 PM
>> To: TEITAC desktop/portable (hardware) subcommittee
>> Subject: Re: [teitac-hardware] Biometric Language Discussion
>>
>> Here's what Wikipedia has to say about it:
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> Biometrics (ancient Greek: bios ="life", metron ="measure")
>> is the study of methods for uniquely recognizing humans based
>> upon one or more intrinsic physical or behavioral traits.
>>
>> In information technology, biometric authentication refers to
>> technologies that measure and analyze human physical and
>> behavioral characteristics for authentication purposes.
>> Examples of physical (or physiological or
>> biometric) characteristics include fingerprints, eye retinas
>> and irises, facial patterns and hand measurements, while
>> examples of mostly behavioural characteristics include
>> signature, gait and typing patterns. All behavioral biometric
>> characteristics have a physiological component, and, to a
>> lesser degree, physical biometric characteristics have a
>> behavioral element.
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> I believe the technically correct word we should use it still
>> Biometrics (defined as "the measurement of human physical
>> traits"). The correct term related to security
>> identification is "Biometric Authentication". Even though
>> many think of Biometrics as only security-related, the
>> generic term is broader than that. But I can see where there
>> is confusion.
>>
>> What about using Biometric as an adverb such as: "Biometric Input"?
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------
>> Randy Marsden, P.Eng.
>> President & CEO, Madentec Limited
>> ATIA Global Policy Chair
>>
>> 780-450-8926 ext. 223
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>>
>>> From: "Gregg Vanderheiden" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>>> Reply-To: "TEITAC desktop/portable (hardware) subcommittee"
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>>> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:17:19 -0500
>>> To: "'TEITAC desktop/portable (hardware) subcommittee'"
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>>> Subject: Re: [teitac-hardware] Biometric Language Discussion
>>>
>>> Hmmmmm
>>>
>>>
>>> Looks like we need a good alternate term......
>>>
>>> Looking for a term that means "requires presence of
>> particular body parts".
>>>
>>>
>>> Gregg
>>> -- ------------------------------
>>> Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>>>> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Jim
>>>> Tobias
>>>> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 7:07 PM
>>>> To: 'TEITAC desktop/portable (hardware) subcommittee'
>>>> Subject: Re: [teitac-hardware] Biometric Language Discussion
>>>>
>>>> I agree with Gregg here: although a capacitive switch is
>> technically
>>>> "biometric" it's not what we mean elsewhere when we refer to
>>>> biometric. I'd rather reserve that word for the
>> authentication and
>>>> security type devices: retina scans, finferprint readers, etc. We
>>>> could call the other stuff "non-mechanically operated physical
>>>> controls" to distinguish them from the controls covered in 2.2.A
>>>> (force requirements, tactile discernability, etc.).
>> Putting the two
>>>> categories together may be technically defensible and clear to us,
>>>> but it will cause confusion among the lucky thousands heretofore
>>>> ignorant of our efforts.
>>>>
>>>> ***
>>>> Jim Tobias
>>>> Inclusive Technologies
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Gregg Vanderheiden [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 5:08 PM
>>>>> To: 'TEITAC desktop/portable (hardware) subcommittee'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [teitac-hardware] Biometric Language Discussion
>>>>>
>>>>> We need to separate Authentication functions of biometrics
>>>> from things
>>>>> like
>>>>> touch screens. I personally would never call a capacitive
>>>>> touchscreen a
>>>>> biometric device but some people do. So we need to
>> separate those
>>>>> types of devices (heat activated switches, capacitive switches,
>>>>> gesture recognition devices, etc) from biometric ID.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gregg
>>>>> -- ------------------------------
>>>>> Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>>>>>> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf
>>>>> Of Debbie
>>>>>> Cook
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 2:08 PM
>>>>>> To: TEITAC desktop/portable (hardware) subcommittee
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [teitac-hardware] Biometric Language Discussion
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe that control and activation are the only elements
>>>>> that apply
>>>>>> to biometrics and covered E&IT. So I think they are
>>>>> essential to the
>>>>>> definition. Biometric forms of identification other than for
>>>>>> activation are not part of operating E&IT. So, I might drop
>>>>> the notion
>>>>>> of identification and assume that it is a subset of activation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Possible wording:
>>>>>> When biometric forms of activation or control are used, an
>>>>> alternative
>>>>>> form of activation or control, which does not require
>> the user to
>>>>>> possess particular biological characteristics, shall also
>>>>> be provided.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>>>>>> To: < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 8:57 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [teitac-hardware] Biometric Language Discussion
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the con-call today, we started discussion on touch
>>>>> controls there
>>>>>> was split relative to biometric identification versus biometric
>>>>>> controls so that touch capacitive controls are considered
>>>>> part of 508
>>>>>> and how they impact the end-user.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The language for 1194.25(d) and 1194.26(c) is the same and is as
>>>>>> follows:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When biometric forms of user identification or control
>>>> are used, an
>>>>>> alternative form of identification or activation, which does not
>>>>>> require the user to possess particular biological
>>>> characteristics,
>>>>>> shall also be provided.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The proposal is to remove the "or control" and "or activation"
>>>>>> sections.
>>>>>> This changes the language to focus on the Biometric
>>>> identification
>>>>>> element. The control element would then need to be
>>>> integrated into
>>>>>> the overall controls discussion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thus, the new language would be:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When biometric forms of user identification are used, an
>>>>> alternative
>>>>>> form of identification, which does not require the user
>>>> to possess
>>>>>> particular biological characteristics, shall also be provided.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please comment and discuss...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rob Nerhood | Experience Design Group | Ergonomics
>>>>> Engineer Dell,
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