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From: Gregg Vanderheiden
Date: Thu, Jun 07 2007 10:05 AM

We will be defining a number words in definitions that are only used once.

Only way to make provisions readable - yet testable.


Gregg
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Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.



> -----Original Message-----
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> Debbie Cook
> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 9:37 AM
> To: TEITAC self contained/closed products subcommittee
> Subject: Re: [teitac-closed]1194.25(a) Self-contained Products
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> In a quick glance through the standards, I'm not seeing other
> occurrances of the term "user group." If I'm accurate about
> this, then it would not be appropriate to define a term in
> SubPart A that only is used one time. So, I think the better
> solution is to clarify what we mean rather than to add
> another definition.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William A Curtis" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> To: "TEITAC self contained/closed products subcommittee"
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> Cc: "Phill Jenkins" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >; "Andi Snow-Weaver"
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> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 6:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [teitac-closed] 1194.25(a) Self-contained Products
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>
> Debbie:
>
> I agree with Aubrey that the term "particular user group"
> needs to be defined. I believe the best place to do this
> would be Sub-Part A:
> Definitions, not in Functional Performance Criteria (FPC).
> While there's clearly a link between a definition of
> "particular user group" and the FPC (even in the way this
> candidate definition is written), I don't think we should
> leave it up to inference on the part of the audience.
>
> So, perhaps have something like this in the Sub-Part A:
> Definitions (pardon me if I missed this definition elsewhere
> in SubPart A or if inclusion or exclusion of such a
> definition has already been discussed):
>
> User Group
> Groups of persons who directly benefit from EIT
> accessibility, and who have one or more kinds of the
> following impairments as a result of disability or age: low
> or limited vision, blindness, mobility or dexterity
> impairments, hard of hearing, deafness, speech impairments,
> seizure disorders, and cognitive or language impairments.
> Such groups typically use Assistive Technologies to access
> and effectively use EIT.
>
> ... and then a minor edit to the proposed definition to read:
>
> If assistive technology for a particular user group (defined
> in Sub-Part
> A: Definitions) cannot be used to access any functionality of
> a hardware or software product, then comparable access to the
> functionality of that product that meets the Functional
> Performance Criteria must be provided for that user group
> without using AT. (Headsets for private listening are not
> considered AT).
>
> Hope this helps!
> BILL
>
>
>
>
> William A. (Bill) Curtis-Davidson Jr.
> Accessibility Business Development & Solutions IBM Research:
> Human Ability & Accessibility Center
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> "Debbie Cook" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > Sent by:
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> Re: [teitac-closed] 1194.25(a) Self-contained Products
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> We have used the functional performance criteria to roughly
> define the user groups. So, something like this:
>
> If assistive technology for a particular user group cannot be
> used to access any functionality of a hardware or software
> product, then comparable access to the functionality of that
> product that meets the functional performance
>
> criteria must be provided for that user group without using
> AT. (Headsets
>
> for private listening are not considered AT).
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: "TEITAC self contained/closed products subcommittee"
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> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 12:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [teitac-closed]1194.25(a) Self-contained Products
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> Hi Debbie,
>
> Re: the proposed 1194.25(a) edit-
>
> If assistive technology for a particular user group cannot be used to
> access
> any functionality of a hardware or software product, then comparable
> access
> to the functionality of that product must be provided for
> that user group
> without using AT. (Headsets for private listening are not
> considered AT).
>
> My only comment is about the term "user group". As a manufacturer, in
> order to evaluate whether a product met this criteria, we
> would need some
> examples of what user groups/disabilities are meant to be
> considered here.
>
>
> This could be addressed in a Guide to the Standards type
> document- though
> we would need some clarification either through the updated standard
> itself or through the US Access Board.
>
> Aubrey
>
> Aubrey Woolley
> Government Policy and Compliance Analyst
> Government Marketing Division
> Canon USA, Inc.
> TEL: (703) 807-3158
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> "Debbie Cook" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
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> Subject
> [teitac-closed] 1194.25(a) Self-contained Products
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> For discussion and editing:
>
> Old version:
> Self contained products shall be usable by people with disabilities
> without
> requiring an end-user to attach assistive technology to the product.
> Personal headsets for private listening are not assistive technology.
>
> Draft version:
> If any functionality of a hardware or software product is
> closed for any
> reason, including hardware, setting or policy, such that assistive
> technology for a particular user group cannot be used with
> the product,
> then
> the product functionality must be fully usable by that group
> without AT.
> (Headsets for private listening are not considered AT).
>
> Discussion:
> Feedback that the proposed language is confusing. Here's a
> stab at an edit
>
> which may also assist with the definition:
>
> If assistive technology for a particular user group cannot be used to
> access
> any functionality of a hardware or software product, then comparable
> access
> to the functionality of that product must be provided for
> that user group
> without using AT. (Headsets for private listening are not
> considered AT).
>
>
> Debbie Cook
> WA Assistive Technology Program
> Box 357920
> Seattle, WA 98195-7920
> Phone: 206-685-4181
>
>

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