Thread Subject: Re: FW: FW: tables in wiki?

From: Jim Tobias
Date: Mon, Oct 30 2006 2:30 PM

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This is getting beside the point, which was, "Are there any methods of
creating and editing tables in a wiki that are friendly enough for
non-techie users and accessible enough as well?" Tools that convert tables
into wikicode will not be good enough. I suspect that the answer to this
question is an overall "no". Which means that we may need to create, edit,
and share some other way.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gregg Vanderheiden [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 3:36 PM
> To: 'TEITAC Communications Task Force'
> Subject: [teitac-tools] FW: FW: tables in wiki?
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> Gregg
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> Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ben Caldwell [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
> > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 11:51 AM
> > To: Gregg Vanderheiden
> > Subject: Re: FW: [teitac-tools] tables in wiki?
> >
> > Thanks Gregg,
> >
> > I hadn't seen the CSV one before. There's a good list of
> related tools at:
> >
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tools/Editing_tools#Wi
> kisyntax_con
> > version_utilities>
> >
> >
> > -Ben
> >
> > Gregg Vanderheiden wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Gregg
> > > -- ------------------------------
> > > Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [mailto:teitac-tools-
> > >> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Jared Smith
> > >> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 11:07 AM
> > >> To: TEITAC Communications Task Force
> > >> Subject: Re: [teitac-tools] tables in wiki?
> > >>
> > >> Here's a couple of tools that might make going to wikitext a bit
> > easier:
> > >>
> > >> http://www.cnic.org/html2mediawiki.html
> > >> This tool converts HTML tables to wikitext tables. You
> could even save
> > >> a word processor document to HTML (In MS Word: File...
> Save as... Web
> > >> Page, Filtered) and then paste the table code into this form for
> > >> conversion. It's not perfect though and still may
> require a bit of
> > >> cleanup.
> http://www.uni-bonn.de/~manfear/html2wiki-tables.php does the
> > >> same thing.
> > >>
> > >> http://area23.brightbyte.de/csv2wp.php
> > >> This online tool converts comma separated data to
> wikitext tables. You
> > >> can export your spreadsheet data to a comma separated format (In
> > >> Excel: File... Save as... CSV).
> > >>
> > >> Here's how I see things ...
> > >>
> > >> Wiki:
> > >> - Technically is quite accessible, but wikitext may be
> difficult for
> > some.
> > >> - Full collaboration. Anyone can edit in near-synchronous manner.
> > >> - Documents are all publicly accessible and are found within the
> > >> existing set of tools.
> > >>
> > >> Google Docs/Spreadsheets:
> > >> - Document author must provide an e-mail address for
> EACH editor, so
> > >> this tool is not an open collaboration tool. Editors must have a
> > >> Google Account.
> > >> - Much easier to edit documents, but the interface is not screen
> > >> reader or keyboard accessible.
> > >> - Spreadsheets cannot be made publicly viewable (author
> must provide
> > >> an e-mail addresses for each viewer). Documents can be
> made publicly
> > >> viewable, but are in an external tool and a link to them must be
> > >> provided.
> > >>
> > >> Based on this, if accessibility and open collaboration
> are both high
> > >> priorities, I believe the wiki is better in both aspects. I don't
> > >> think this means that Google Docs could not be used for
> > >> non-collaborative content - it is very easy to create and publish
> > >> content (Documents only, not Spreadsheets) and the
> published Documents
> > >> content of is very accessible.
> > >>
> > >> Jared Smith
> > >> NCDAE.org
> > >>

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