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From: Hoffman, Allen
Date: Tue, Aug 14 2007 12:45 PM
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EWG can do that.
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Subject: Re: [teitac-video] teitac-websoftware Proposal for a
That would work for me - and I would leave it up tot he EWG to figure
out where and how an explanatory note is inserted.
Hoffman, Allen wrote:
> Since the referenced materials are not completed now, might it make
> sense as part of the explanatory materials to note just what you said
> here Larry? TEITAC might then recommend that the Access-Board
> incorporate any new information from such guidance materials if they
> are available in time for the final rule.
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> Subject: Re: [teitac-video] teitac-websoftware Proposal for a
> I would be glad to chime in here...
> I think the examples given are good ones and point to the dire need
> for guidelines for producing video description, how, when, where.
> Luckily, the American Foundation for the Blind along with the National
> Center for Accessible Media at WGBH (NCAM), under contract from the
> Described and Captioned Media Program administered by the National
> Association of the Deaf, is embarking on creating just such
> A first draft has already been worked over by an expert committee of
> academics, educators, producers, consumers and others. The work on
> these guidelines should be completed in a year or so.
> One easily agreed-upon point in the draft guidelines is that you do
> not ever describe someone's physical appearance or race unless those
> aspects are germane to the understanding of the video material. Unless
> there was a reason for including the short, fat, silver-haired, etc.
> attributes, those phrases should never have been used. Use of such
> terms points to an inexperienced video description author who did not
> contemplate the rationale for adding such descriptions (hope it wasn't
> WGBH who did that
> Ditto for the issue of the producer making a unilateral decision that
> the voice-over was providing enough description and thus no need for
> an added video description track. Was that producer expert on the
> needs of blind and visually impaired people, has he or she ever really
> listened to good video description in order to understand that "key
> visual elements" went undescribed?
> Again, solidly researched and tested guidelines will help
> Patience - AFB's eventual document should be quite valuable.
> - Larry
> Jasionowski, Tony wrote:
>> To: AV Subcommittee,
>> The recent discussion below in Websoftware may be of interest to some
>> members in AV, therefore, I included AV in this discussion for any
>> Tony Jasionowski
>> AV Sub Committee Co-chair
>> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:40:11 -0400
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>> We get a number of questions from agencies (including my own) about
>> audio description. Generally, the videos being created are
>> informational, not
>> instructional. We've taken the position that if the agency feels the
>> need to make the film, they must feel the message is mission-based
>> therefore, should be accessible to all.
>> I would be interested in hearing Don's and Allen's opinions about a
>> couple of examples. The first one involved a video my office had
>> to play at booth we were staffing at a government conference. We
>> a video produced by filming the previous year's conference which
>> included a short film clip from a commercial-hit cartoon movie about
>> prehistoric animals,
>> including fish. We made it conform to 508 by close captioning and
>> describing the video. It was a two-step process - we first sent it
>> company that created the closed-captions and then to another that
>> added the audio description.
>> The audio description added a lot - it described the people who came
>> went from the podium and stage, what they carried and what they did.
>> people in filmed from the previous year's conference were all
>> well-known IT executives from Federal as well as industry. It also
>> described in detail the fish that went whizzing by the screen in the
>> cartoon clip - far more data than the average viewer would ever
>> and even fewer could identify by genus. It also raised some
>> interesting societal issues - the description labeled one government
>> exec as silver-haired, another as short and portly and another as
>> thin, tall black man. The folks captured in the video seem a bit
>> uncomfortable about the
>> descriptions - our video gave voice to unspoken "opinions" that
>> created discomfort for others.
>> My second example involves an architectural tour of some historic
>> Federal office spaces. It was developed in house for Federal
>> employees and was closed captioned but not audio described. An
>> executive narrated the film by, for the most part, sitting in her
>> office on a couch with flowers on a nearby table and a flag in the
>> background - a pretty typical executive pose. She provided the
>> voice-over of the tour and described the features of the offices the
>> video depicted as well as the history behind them.
>> Occasionally, additional images were shown, of Indian chiefs in an
>> antique photo, several somber men in late-eighteenth century dress.
>> From her script, you made a hazy deduction that they attended
>> important events in
>> these offices but from the description, you wouldn't have known
>> about the participants. The film producers thought that they didn't
>> need to audio describe the film because the script read by the exec
>> the rooms well.
>> We generally advise Federal video-producers that it isn't necessary
>> audio-describe "talking-heads" - people standing in one place, maybe
>> behind a podium, just speaking to the camera. Is that good? Should
>> we be providing a physical description of the speaker? Can we cross
>> proprietary line where we offend by describing physical attributes
>> that might not be flattering to the speaker and cause other problems?
>> Is there anything we can add to the proposed language to address such
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