Thread Subject: Re: Today's call in info

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From: Sean Hayes
Date: Wed, Aug 29 2007 1:35 PM

As I think I've reported before, the London number just goes to a cable and wireless test number. I've never tried Dublin.

Sean Hayes
Incubation Lab
Accessibility Business Unit
Microsoft

Office: +44 118 909 5867,
Mobile: +44 7875 091385


-----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Andrew Kirkpatrick
Sent: 29 August 2007 20:28
To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
Subject: Re: [teitac-video] Today's call in info

Yes. You should also be able to call the london # (20-8608-1105) or the
Dublin office (353-1-433-6790) - you might need to ask to be transferred
to extension 69900 for the dublin office. Or, the 408 number is fine.

AWK




> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Sean Hayes
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 3:22 PM
> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> Subject: Re: [teitac-video] Today's call in info
>
> The free number doesn't work from mobiles. Can I use
> 408-536-9900 in the future?
>
> Sean Hayes
> Incubation Lab
> Accessibility Business Unit
> Microsoft
>
> Office: +44 118 909 5867,
> Mobile: +44 7875 091385
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Tom Brett
> Sent: 29 August 2007 20:18
> To: 'TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee'
> Subject: Re: [teitac-video] Today's call in info
>
>
> 877-220-5439
> 107147
>
> Is the same number that has always been used...
>
>
> Tom Brett
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Sean Hayes
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 3:12 PM
> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> Subject: Re: [teitac-video] Today's call in info
>
> I get a French voice announcing that its not free, and no
> option to get in otherwise
>
> Sean Hayes
> Incubation Lab
> Accessibility Business Unit
> Microsoft
>
> Office: +44 118 909 5867,
> Mobile: +44 7875 091385
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of
> Andrew Kirkpatrick
> Sent: 29 August 2007 20:09
> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> Subject: Re: [teitac-video] Today's call in info
>
> Geez - I can't imagine why not. Can you try the US number again?
>
> AWK
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> > [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of
> Sean Hayes
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 3:08 PM
> > To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> > Subject: Re: [teitac-video] Today's call in info
> >
> > None of these numbers work for me
> >
> > Sean Hayes
> > Incubation Lab
> > Accessibility Business Unit
> > Microsoft
> >
> > Office: +44 118 909 5867,
> > Mobile: +44 7875 091385
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> > [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Andrew
> > Kirkpatrick
> > Sent: 29 August 2007 20:02
> > To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> > Subject: [teitac-video] Today's call in info
> >
> > Meeting id#: 107147
> > 1-877-220-5439 (US) 877-220-5439
> 107147
> > 1-800-64-219 (Australia)
> > 44-20-8608-1105 (London)
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> > > [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of James
> > > Elekes
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 3:00 PM
> > > To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> > > Subject: [teitac-video] Info for Today's Telecon Not on TEITAC
> > > Site--Please Respond/Post
> > >
> > > At 11:35 AM 8/29/2007, you wrote:
> > > >I see. Hmmmm
> > > >
> > > >OK How about -
> > > >
> > > > - all platforms (flash, avi, mov etc) have a standard way of
> > > > providing captions
> > > >
> > > > - For content - Captions must be provided in that format
> > > >
> > > > - For players that play that format - they must
> > display captions
> > > > AND either have an easy way to turn them on (even if
> embedded in
> > > > content) or play them OPEN (always on).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Gregg
> > > > -- ------------------------------ Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----------
> > > >From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> > > >[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of
> > > Schomburg,
> > > >Paul
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:34 AM
> > > >To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> > > >Subject: Re: [teitac-video] FW: Revised proposal for Sec.
> > > >4.AdditionalProvisions for Audio-Visual Players or Displays
> > > >Greg: These are good questions; unfortunately I'm not
> aware of a
> > > >closed caption standard that could be applied today to all
> > personal
> > > >video products. I don't know any other way to handle this
> > > except on an
> > > >agency-by-agency basis.
> > > >
> > > >Without a unified standard, interoperability would be handled by
> > > >content authoring tools that would support conversion among
> > > different
> > > >timed text metadata. Thus a broadcast video content encoded
> > > with 708
> > > >could be re-encoded with a different time text standard
> when being
> > > >deployed for mobile devices. That's why we added:
> > > >"Support interoperability and conversion between other
> > > common caption
> > > >formats such as CEA 608, CEA 708, or Timed Text (e.g. DFXP)."
> > > >
> > > >Thanks, Paul
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----------
> > > >From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> > > >[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Gregg
> > > >Vanderheiden
> > > >Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 11:19 PM
> > > >To: 'TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee'
> > > >Subject: Re: [teitac-video] FW: Revised proposal for Sec. 4.
> > > >AdditionalProvisions for Audio-Visual Players or Displays
> > > >
> > > >Thanks
> > > >
> > > >Couple questions about the part where you changed it to
> "Uses this
> > > >standard... Captions or timed text (as defined by procuring
> > > >agency) or display open caption video"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >- How would you get interoperability if each agency
> picks its own
> > > >standards?
> > > >- Will purchasing agents have any idea what to specify?
> > > >- And how would a mfgr know how to design products if they
> > > don't know
> > > >what standard will apply until the get the P.O.?
> > > >
> > > >Maybe I'm missing something
> > > >
> > > >Thanks
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Gregg
> > > > -- ------------------------------ Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----------
> > > >From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> > > >[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of
> > > Schomburg,
> > > >Paul
> > > >Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 4:49 PM
> > > >To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> > > >Subject: [teitac-video] FW: Revised proposal for Sec. 4.
> > > >AdditionalProvisions for Audio-Visual Players or Displays
> > > >Folks: I am forwarding this without the attachments in
> > > order to allow
> > > >timely review. The attachments may come through later after
> > > the TEITAC
> > > >AV email list moderator approves my post, which apparently
> > > exceeded the
> > > >maximum size limit due to the attachments.
> > > >
> > > >Best regards, Paul
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----------
> > > >From: Schomburg, Paul
> > > >Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 5:26 PM
> > > >To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> > > >Cc: Schomburg, Paul
> > > >Subject: Revised proposal for Sec. 4. Additional Provisions for
> > > >Audio-Visual Players or Displays
> > > >
> > > >Folks: In response to comments on today's call we are
> providing a
> > > >revised draft for tomorrow's discussion (see below proposed
> > > text). To
> > > >help everyone's understanding I have attached in MS-Word
> clean and
> > > >redlined versions of the proposal. The redline shows
> > > differences from
> > > >the EWG draft at:
> > > ><http://teitac.org/wiki/EWG:Draft_Aug_17#4._Additional_Provis
> > ions_for_A
> > > >udio-Visual_Players_or_Displays>http://teitac.org/wiki/EWG:Dr
> > aft_Aug_17
> > > >#4._Additional_Provisions_for_Audio-Visual_Players_or_Displays
> > > >
> > > >Since the feedback we received today indicated that a "readily
> > > >achievable" clause could not be used I have changed the
> > section for
> > > >personal video devices to leave the selection of closed
> > > caption or time
> > > >text standard up to the procuring agency or to allow use of open
> > > >captions. I have also removed references to screen sizes.
> > > >
> > > >Best regards, Paul
> > > >-------------
> > > >4. Additional Provisions for Audio-Visual Players or
> > Displays 4-A -
> > > >Caption Playback Analog television, digital television
> and tuners,
> > > >computer equipment, and other equipment must provide
> > closed and open
> > > >captions:
> > > >1. Equipment of this type:
> > > >Analog television displays that measure 13 inches or more
> > diagonally
> > > >Computer equipment that includes analog television receiver
> > > or display
> > > >circuitry Uses this standard:
> > > >CEA 608
> > > >To provide these functions:
> > > >Receive, decode and display signals from broadcast cable
> satellite
> > > >Optical disc, videotape, and other recorded media other
> > > recorded media
> > > >2. Equipment of this type:
> > > >Wide-screen (16:9) digital television (DTV) displays
> > > measuring at least
> > > >7.8 inches vertically DTV sets with conventional (4:3) displays
> > > >measuring at least 13 inches diagonally Stand-alone DTV
> > > tuners, whether
> > > >or not they are marketed with display screens Computer
> > > equipment that
> > > >includes DTV receiver or display circuitry Uses this standard:
> > > >CEA 708
> > > >To provide these functions:
> > > >Receive, decode and display signals from:
> > > > * broadcast
> > > > * cable
> > > > * satellite
> > > > * Optical disc, videotape, and other recorded media
> > > > * IPTV
> > > >OR
> > > >Decode data, when available, and pass a decoded
> > > >("open-captioned") video signal to the DTV display or monitor 3.
> > > >Equipment of this type:
> > > >Other digital video source products without broadcast reception
> > > >capability, such as video playback products for removable
> > media (e.g.
> > > >optical disc, tape, flash memory, etc.), IP-enabled
> video playback
> > > >products for downloaded or streaming video content, and
> > media player
> > > >software, that is procured for the purpose of displaying
> > > video on a DTV
> > > >display or monitor Uses this standard:
> > > >CEA 708 or timed text with functionality equivalent [or
> > > comparable] to
> > > >CEA-708 (see end-note for definition of functional
> equivalent) To
> > > >provide these functions:
> > > >Pass CEA-708 caption data, when available, to the
> caption decoding
> > > >circuitry of DTV displays OR Decode caption data, when
> > > available, and
> > > >pass a decoded ("open-captioned") video signal to the DTV
> > display or
> > > >monitor.
> > > >
> > > >4. Equipment of this type...
> > > >Personal video display products with an integrated display
> > > and without
> > > >broadcast reception capability.
> > > >
> > > >Uses this standard...
> > > >Captions or timed text (as defined by procuring
> > > >agency) or display open caption video
> > > >
> > > >To provide these functions...
> > > >- Decode caption data or timed text,
> > > >when available, for viewing on the integrated display
> > > >
> > > >Material for inclusion in the additional notes document:
> > > >TEITAC definition of "Functional Equivalent" to CEA 708
> > > Equivalent text
> > > >display functionalities must:
> > > >Support caption placement control by caption authors for any
> > > position
> > > >within the TV safe area.
> > > >Support standard, large, and small caption sizes and must
> > allow the
> > > >caption author to choose a size and allow the viewer to
> choose an
> > > >alternative size.
> > > >Support eight font variations. Caption authors may specify
> > > one of these
> > > >eight font styles to be used to write caption text.
> > Equivalents must
> > > >include the ability for users to choose among the eight
> fonts. The
> > > >equivalent must display the font chosen by the caption
> > author unless
> > > >the user chooses a different font.
> > > >Support the eight font styles defined as
> > > >follows: default (undefined), monospaced with serifs (similar to
> > > >Courier), proportionally spaced with serifs (similar to
> Times New
> > > >Roman), monospaced without serifs (similar to Helvetica
> > Monospaced),
> > > >proportionally spaced without serifs (similar to Arial
> and Swiss),
> > > >casual font type (similar to Dom and Impress), cursive font type
> > > >(similar to Coronet and Marigold), and small capitals
> (similar to
> > > >Engravers Gothic).
> > > >Support author and user choice of eight character foreground
> > > and eight
> > > >character background colors: white, black, red, green,
> > blue, yellow,
> > > >magenta and cyan).
> > > >Support author and user selection of character and
> > > background opacity
> > > >options: SOLID, TRANSLUCENT, TRANSPARENT [FLASH option
> > > deleted] Support
> > > >options for altering the appearance of caption character edges.
> > > >Support the authoring and selection of the six caption
> > services, but
> > > >information from only one service need be displayed at a
> > given time.
> > > >Include an option that permits a user to choose a setting
> > that will
> > > >display captions as intended by the caption provider (a default).
> > > >Equivalents must also include an option that allows a
> > > viewer's chosen
> > > >settings to remain until the viewer chooses to alter these
> > settings,
> > > >including during periods when the video source device is
> > powered off.
> > > >Multimedia content creation products and/or software must:
> > > >Support the creation of equivalent text display
> functionalities as
> > > >listed above Support interoperability and conversion
> between other
> > > >common caption formats such as CEA 608, CEA 708, or Timed
> > Text (e.g.
> > > >DFXP).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >

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