Thread Subject: Re: Independent - top level - Caption Control

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From: Schomburg, Paul
Date: Thu, Sep 20 2007 12:35 PM

Greg: Some TV manufacturers already include a "SAP" button on remote
controls for this very reason -- that blind users can't navigate visual
menus. I think this is much more important than having a separate "CC"
button on the remote, which is needed primarily to make it easier for
the hearing impaired end user to turn closed captioning on/off. I can
understand why this would be desirable, but I don't think there is a
justification to make it mandatory if the setup menu provides easy
access to CC functions. Adding more mandatory buttons on the remote
means all the other buttons have to be made smaller and thus less
tactically discernable and visually accessible to folks with vision
disabilities. We should consider these tradeoffs in our
recommendations.

Best regards, Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Gregg
Vanderheiden
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 12:31 AM
To: 'TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee'
Subject: Re: [teitac-video] Independent - top level - Caption Control

I think he was talking about the "button" to turn it on.

We were talking about have a CC button on control. But
video-description
switch can be just as hard to find AND you have to see to find it in
menus
since they don't talk.

Hmmmm


Gregg
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Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of
> Hoffman, Allen
> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 2:19 PM
> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> Subject: Re: [teitac-video] Independent - top level - Caption Control
>
> Descriptive video isn't so hard to find if:
> menus are audible;
> media players have an option to select the sound track;
> etc.
>
> These are covered already I think.
>
>
>
> Allen Hoffman -- = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ; v: 202-447-0303
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Dave Singer
> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 3:01 PM
> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> Subject: Re: [teitac-video] Independent - top level - Caption Control
>
> At 14:57 -0400 19/09/07, James Elekes wrote:
> >Greg,
> >
> >Hmmm. Let's not forget those of us who are blind/low vision. Where
> >"Descriptive Video" is available, it's next to impossible to
> figure out
>
> >how to activate unless you have a sighted individual who can assist.
>
> I was going to say that the means to turn on an accessibility
> option MUST be accessible to those needing the option.
>
> >
> >-Jim
> >
> >James J. Elekes, Chairperson
> >Telecommunications, Electronic/Information Technologies Committee
> >United States Access Board
> >
> >At 02:49 PM 9/19/2007, you wrote:
> >>How about if we change this to
> >>
> >>
> >>For systems which include caption decoding functionality where
> >>captions can be turned on and off must include an
> independent control
> >>for turning captions on and off at the same level as the control for
> mute.
> >>
> >>a) products with remotes which include a mute button must
> also include
>
> >>an independent captioning button on the remote.
> >>
> >>b) products which provide mute function via menu must
> provide a means
> >>for turning captions on and off at the highest level and
> the control
> >>must be independent from the mute.
> >>
> >>Note: Having 'auto-caption on mute' is not prohibited as
> long as the
> >>independent caption control can also turn captions on when
> mute is not
>
> >>active.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Gregg
> >> -- ------------------------------
> >>Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> >> > [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of >
> >> Karen Peltz Strauss > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007
> 1:11 PM >
>
> >> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee > Subject: Re: [teitac-video]
> >> Agenda for today's AV subcom meeting > > Access to
> captioning needs
>
> >> to be on the remote -- or where > there is no remote, on
> the first
> >> level of menu options -- > because it is as essential to
> > viewing
> >> by people who cannot hear as volume is to people who
> >> > can hear. The
> >> > ability to access captions has increasingly been buried in >
> >> video equipment menus, making it difficult or impossible
> to > watch
> >> captions even when they
> >> > are put onto programming. Try going to a hotel (or
> >> > hospitals) and turning
> >> > on the captions. Where there is no captioning button on the
> >> > remote you
> >> > will find that this is a very challenging task.
> >> >
> >> > Karen
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Dave Singer" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > > To: "TEITAC
> Audio/Video
> >> Subcommittee" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > > Sent: Wednesday,
> >> September 19, 2007 1:55 PM > Subject: Re: [teitac-video]
> Agenda for
> >> today's AV subcom meeting > > > > At 12:56 -0400 11/09/07,
> >> Hoffman, Allen wrote:
> >> > >>I think this reads worse than we want it to.
> >> > >>
> >> > >>In simple terms, people who are deaf want a "cc" button on >
> >> the remote > >>that turns on captioning for broadcast.
> Would this
> >> also turn on, or > >>select, the captioning if this were
> connected
> >> to a media > player? Its > >>not quite as simple in this
> >> circumstance, so maybe we need > to just limit > >>this to:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>For systems which include caption decoding
> functionality > and
> >> a remote > >>control, a captioning button must be
> available on the
> >> remote that > >>enables and disables captioning display from
> >> broadcast or > other external > >>inputs.
> >> > >
> >> > > Why must it be on the remote? Shouldn't the
> requirements > say
>
> >> that if > > there is an adaptation available, it must be possible
> >> for those who > > need the adaptation to turn it on, or
> it must be
> >> on by default.
> >> > > --
> >> > > David Singer
> >> > > Apple/QuickTime
> >> > >

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