Thread Subject: Re: FW: Hardware SC Provisions to Complete(AudioConnection Jack)

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From: Mike Paciello
Date: Fri, Oct 19 2007 10:30 AM

Agreed. Brenda?


Mike Paciello
Cell: +1.603.566.7713

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Subject: RE: [teitac-committee] FW: Hardware SC Provisions to
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Since the original proposal was worked out between Mike & Brenda, I'd
like to have Brenda's feedback on these changes.

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Complete(AudioConnection Jack)

This works for me...

- Mike


Mike Paciello
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Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 10:04 AM
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Subject: Re: [teitac-committee] FW: Hardware SC Provisions to Complete
(AudioConnection Jack)

Hi Rob.

This language inadvertently changes the provision from being a
requirement
for a standard connector to being a requirement for a signal level only.
It
also loses the standard connector for public systems that closed
products
needs.

Actually, we don't need to put the 'standard signal level' part in there
I
don't believe. It is so common for each connector type that specifying
the
connector will automatically lead to a proper signal level.




How about the following that combines various suggestions on the list
and
from EWG.




2.1-C When products provide auditory output beyond simple tonal
feedback or
signaling, the audio signal must be provided through an industry
standard
connection that will allow for private listening.

* Public-shared products must provide the connection via a standard
2.5mm or 3.5mm phone jack or RCA audio jack.

* Personal-private products must provide either a 2.5mm or 3.5mm
phone
jack or a wired or wireless connection that has a 2.5mm or 3.5mm phone
jack
adapter that is commonly available.





Are we meeting tomorrow?

Gregg
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Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.

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> Subject: [teitac-committee] FW: Hardware SC Provisions to Complete
> (AudioConnection Jack)
>
> Here is a recommended revision to 2.2-c.
>
> "When products provide auditory output beyond simple tonal feedback or

> signaling, the audio signal must be provided at a signal level that
> allows for private listening through an industry standard connection."
>
> Hardware SC is fine with this and moving to full committee.
>
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> From: Mike Paciello [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:10 PM
> To: Nerhood, Robert
> Subject: FW: Hardware SC Provisions to Complete (Audio Connection
> Jack)
>
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>
>
> Mike Paciello
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> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 11:59 PM
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> Subject: Re: Hardware SC Provisions to Complete (Audio Connection
> Jack)
>
> Wow. You are nothing if not tenacious. I think your new wording is
good.
> Otherwise I bekieve there will be questions as to what the standard
> signal is Thanks very much Brenda Sent from my Verizon Wireless
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> From: "Mike Paciello" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>
> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:38:18
> To:"Brenda Battat" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > Cc:"TEITAC
> desktop/portable (hardware) subcommittee"
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> Subject: RE: Hardware SC Provisions to Complete (Audio Connection
> Jack)
>
>
> Hi Brenda -
>
> Well it took me a little while, but I finally figured out where the
phrase,
> "standard signal level" came from! It was based on a recommendation
> from Paul Schomburg on September 24th. Please note his email thread
> posted to this listserv at:
> http://teitac.org/mailarchives/mail_thread.php?thread=1571#post1
> <http://teitac.org/mailarchives/mail_thread.php?thread=1571#post1>
>
> We've adjusted Paul's wording in the 2.2-C Audio Connection provision
> a bit, but to quote Paul, he stated the following:
>
> "...I think standard 'RCA' audio outputs provide sufficient
> connections to enable headphone connections. Since these connections
> are available on almost every kind of consumer electronics A/V
> entertainment product I do not feel a requirement to have a 2.5 mm
> jack is necessary. I'd suggest the following wording:
>
> 'Products designed to be used in public places must provide the
> connection via an industry standard 2.5mm or 3.5mm audio jack at the
> standard signal levels used for headphones/headsets or provide a RCA
> audio output for connection to a 2.5mm or 3.5mm phone jack adapter.' "
>
> However, this still leaves us with the action item of better defining
> "standard signal level". My hope is that either Paul or Gregg V.,
> might be able to shed some light on this topic. I've spent close to a
> week searching a number of specifictations and archives and I've yet
> to find anything that defines a "standard audio signal".
>
> I wonder if the answer is to adjust the wording as follows:
>
> "When products provide auditory output beyond simple tonal feedback or

> signaling, the audio signal must be provided at a signal level that
> allows for private listening through an industry standard connection."
>
> What do you think?
>
> - Mike
>
> Mike Paciello
> Cell: +1.603.566.7713
>
>
>
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> From: Brenda Battat [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:04 PM
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> Cc: Randy Marsden; = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> Subject: RE: Hardware SC Provisions to Complete (Audio Connection
> Jack)
>
>
>
> Mike
> Jack size is fine as it covers jacks for headphones and jack for cell
> phones. And RJ9 adapters are available for someone requesting an
> in-line amplifier through Sec 504
>
> I seem to remember some discussion about clarifying that it was
> located in a public place and used by the public
>
> What is the standard signal level?
>
>
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> From: Mike Paciello [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 7:21 AM
> To: Brenda Battat
> Cc: 'Randy Marsden'; = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ; Paciello, Mike
> Subject: FW: Hardware SC Provisions to Complete (Audio Connection
> Jack)
>
>
>
> Hi Brenda -
>
> Randy Mardsen, Rob Nerhood and I are trying to close the loop on the
> hardware provisions. We're down to two or three small edits. One
> involves the Audio Connection provision. At our September TEITAC
> meetings we were discussing the size of the connector jack.
>
> The current provision with notes is as follows:
>
>
> 2.2-C - Audio Connection
>
> When products provide auditory output beyond simple tonal feedback or
> signaling, the audio signal must be provided at a standard signal
> level through an industry standard connection that will allow for
> private listening.
>
> * If the product is a public-shared product then the connection must
> be via a standard 2.5mm or 3.5mm audio jack.
>
>
> * If the product is personal-private product then the connection can
> be wired or wireless as long as a 2.5mm or 3.5mm phone jack adapter is

> available from the manufacturer.
>
> Alternate wording for clarity
>
> * Public-shared products must provide the connection via a standard
> 2.5mm or 3.5mm audio jack.
>
>
> * Personal-private products may provide either a wired or wireless
> connection. A wired connection must be via a standard 2.5mm or 3.5mm
> audio jack. A wireless connection may be used as long as a 2.5mm or
> 3.5mm phone jack adapter is available from the manufacturer.
> Discussion on Work in Progress: * Need to be more specific about
> "standard signal level" * Need to check against the definitions for
> public-shared and personal-private to be sure they work for this
> provision (or define the distinction here).
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> ====
> ==
> =
> >From what I can see, it appears that we have agreed to alternate
> >wording
> for
> clarity. That seems fine. We simply need to confirm the jack size
> specifications. We also need to clarify "standard signal level".
>
> - Mike
>
> Mike Paciello
> Cell: +1.603.566.7713
>
>
>
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> From: Randy Marsden [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 2:28 AM
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> Subject: Re: Hardware SC Provisions to Complete
>
>
> Hi Guys:
>
>
> My apologies for being MIA - I have a lot going on in Madentec right
now.
> I
> believe Audio Connection is mine. I think we had it near completion at

> the last TEITAC, but there were some questions about the size of the
jacks.
> The
> TEITAC member representing the deaf community (sorry, I forgot her
> name) was going to connect with me with advice on that. I haven't
> closed that loop yet. Mike - do you know her name and contact info?
>
>
> -Randy
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 12, 2007, at 6:16 PM, Mike Paciello wrote:
>
> Hi Rob -
>
> No problem. I'm looking at the spreadsheet as my guide. So thanks for
> the quick update. I talked to TelComm today and they acknowledged 2.25

> is theirs. I saw the traffic on contrast, so let's be sure we get that

> one closed out on Tuesday. Freestanding -- yes, your correct. I just
> checked my notes. Touch operated, I'll check with Debbie Cook too.
> Let's add Audio Connection to Tuesday's discussion as well.
>
> - Mike
>
> Mike Paciello
> Cell: +1.603.566.7713
>
>
>
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> Subject: RE: Hardware SC Provisions to Complete
>
>
>
> Mike,
>
> Sorry been out of office all day. Here's my understanding.
>
>
> A) Contrast Ratio (values-only) for 2.1.A - being worked on - see
> teitac listserv traffic
> B) Touch Operated - 2.1.B - No update - I thought self-contained was
> tackling this one. Randy?
> C) Interfearance with Hearing Aids - 2.2.B (with Telcom) - Purely
> telecom
> D) Audio Connection - 2.2.C - oops
> E) FreeStanding definition. - I thought we agreed at last plenary that

> since this is undefined in ADAAG then it remains undefined in 508.
> Sorry if I'm mistaken.
> Thanks,
> Rob
>
>
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> From: Mike Paciello [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
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> Cc: Paciello, Mike
> Subject: Hardware SC Provisions to Complete
>
>
>
> Rob/Randy -
>
> Here are the provisions we still need to get done:
>
> A) Contrast Ratio (values-only) for 2.1.A
> B) Touch Operated - 2.1.B
> C) Interfearance with Hearing Aids - 2.2.B (with Telcom)
> D) Audio Connection - 2.2.C
> E) FreeStanding definition.
> I believe that the brief discussion I saw involving Rob's
> clarification around luminosity contrast (2.1.B) get's us to a 'go'
> state. We need to get a little clarity on the notes (per Gregg's
> comments). Any chance of being able to bring these all to discussion
> during the Tuesday conference call?
> What can I do to help?
>
>
> -Mike
>
>
> Mike Paciello
> Founder & Principal, TPG
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>
>
> Randy Marsden
> President, Madentec Limited
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