Thread Subject: Re: Enable/disable Captions

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From: Hoffman, Allen
Date: Mon, Oct 29 2007 9:55 AM

Seems like a "smart" player would put the cc control next to volume or
play if content has cc in it, and not if it doesn't contain cc. Also
could be a user-preference option during device set up. Seems like we
are making this user-need a lot harder than it has to be. if the amount
of thought about usability we normally apply to things is applied to
things like this, problem would go away probably.






Allen Hoffman -- = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ; v: 202-447-0303

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Dave Singer
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 5:22 AM
To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
Subject: Re: [teitac-video] [teitac-committee] Enable/disable Captions

At 14:07 -0500 27/10/07, Gregg Vanderheiden wrote:
>The only question I have is why we don't require (on software players)
>a CC button near the play controls. On most software players I know of

>- it is hard to find the cc control -- AND most people are completely
>unaware that it exists to go look for it.
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>Microsoft's research showed that 'lack of awareness' was one of they
>key barriers to use.
>
>Would having the CC button next to play controls on software players be

>any kind of burden?

Yes. We tend to prefer minimal real-time controls and uncluttered
displays.

In at least some places (e.g. iPod), desiring closed captions is a
preference issue, not a content-by-content issue.

>
>
>Gregg
> -- ------------------------------
>Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Sean
>> Hayes
>> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 4:52 AM
>> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
>> Subject: Re: [teitac-video] [teitac-committee] Enable/disable
>> Captions
>>
>> Here is my recollection of what we determined:
>>
>> We would use the definition in 4A.1 as the type of products for
>> which equal prominence was required.
>>
>> Products as defined in 4A.2 would also need some means of turning
>> them on/off, however as we have less understanding of emerging non
>> TV form factors, and with the assumption that obtaining video on
>> such devices already requires a relative degree of user
>> sophistication, we would not require equal prominence in those
>> cases, so this is already covered by 6C.
>>
>> We also decided we would restrict the prominence requirement to
>> just captions and video description controls.
>>
>> We noted we do not currently have equal wording to 4A for video
>> descriptions. Larry proposed rewording 4B to mirror 4A, however I'm
>> not sure exactly what that would look like.
>>
>> We agreed to move the proposed language out of 4A into its own
>> provision and simply reference 4A.1 for its scope, however on
>> reading it again it seems rather than make a new provision it would
>> be better to add it to 6C.
>>
>> Thus 6C would now read:
>>
>> 6C - Open or Closed Captions/Descriptions At the time of playback,
>> captions and/or video descriptions must be either
>> (a) capable of being turned on and off ("closed"), or (b) visible
>> or audible to all users ("open").
>>
>> For products as defined in 4A.1 the controls to turn on or off
>> captions and/or video descriptions must be comparable in prominence,

>> in at least one location, to controls provided to control volume, or

>> perform program selection, where the ability to control these
>> features is otherwise provided.
>>
>> -- personally I'm not sure the "where the ability..." part is
>> strictly necessary.
>>
>>
>> If this is consistent with everyone else's notes, I suggest we
>> forward to the EWG for inclusion this Friday.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Sean Hayes
>> Incubation Lab
>> Accessibility Business Unit
>> Microsoft
>>
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>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Larry
>> Goldberg
>> Sent: 25 October 2007 03:27
>> To: TEITAC AV list
>> Subject: Re: [teitac-video] [teitac-committee] Enable/disable
>> Captions
>>
>> Not sure of the deadlines, but I am on the road all day tomorrow
>> and tied up much of Friday.
>>
>> If anyone else has good notes of our call and can post the latest,
>> that would be great.
>>
>> ... Larry ...
>>
>>

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