Thread Subject: FW: Definition of captions

From: Gregg Vanderheiden
Date: Tue, Feb 19 2008 5:30 PM

• Return to this mailing list's archives
• View all messages in this thread
• Next message in thread: Larry Goldberg: "Re: Definition of captions"
• Previous message in thread: None
• Messages sorted by: Author | Thread | Date

Reposting because the last one is stuck in queue (too long)


Gregg
-- ------------------------------
Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.

_____

From: Gregg Vanderheiden [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 3:23 PM
To: 'TEITAC Committee'
Subject: RE: [teitac-committee] Definition of captions



Thanks Larry,



The AND was because I was going to make it "images of text and
supplemental visuals" to reflect the beginning of the sentence (per Sean's
addition)



So we should either

a) remove AND

or

b) add "supplemental visuals" after the AND





Thoughts? Preferences?




Gregg
-- ------------------------------
Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.






_____


From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Larry
Goldberg
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 1:54 PM
To: TEITAC Committee
Subject: Re: [teitac-committee] Definition of captions

Two points:



1) Do we possibly run into trouble from a naive reader who might think a
"text equivalent" might include something like a sign language window or
avatar?



2) In this note:

NOTE: Captions can be supplemental visual or text equivalents that can be
turned on and off (closed captions) or images of text and embedded in video
(open captions).



I think the word "and" should be removed from the final clause.

Images of text can be turned on and off as well (like on DVDs) and a better
indication of what is considered open captions is:



"... images of text embedded in video (open captions)."



... Larry ...











On Feb 19, 2008, at 2:45 PM, Gregg Vanderheiden wrote:





Thanks Larry

I changed those words but built off of sean's language.

Also - there was a suggested re-write of the first note for easier reading
- and to exclude the need to caption unimportant sounds.

The new version of caption definition would then be.

I think the following addresses SEANS and LARRY's concerns as well as those
from WCAG (in note 1)


<proposed - REVISED>


Captions


Synchronized visual or text equivalents for audio information including both
dialog and important non-dialog audio information

NOTE: Captions are similar to dialog-only subtitles except captions convey
not only the content of spoken dialog, but also text equivalents for other
(non-spoken) audio information important for understanding including
important sound effects, music, laughter, speaker identification and
location.

NOTE: Captions can be supplemental visual or text equivalents that can be
turned on and off (closed captions) or images of text and embedded in video
(open captions).

NOTE: Captions should not obscure or obstruct relevant or key information.

NOTE: In some countries captions are called subtitles.


<end proposed>



Gregg
-- ------------------------------
Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.

• Next message in Thread: Larry Goldberg: "Re: Definition of captions"
• Previous message in Thread: None