Thread Subject: Re: Definition of captions

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From: Sean Hayes
Date: Wed, Feb 20 2008 3:10 PM

We don't really need to say why, it's the terms open and closed we are explaining here, so how about:

NOTE: Captions can be "closed captions" that can be turned on and off by the user during playback, or "open captions" that are always shown and cannot be turned off.


Sean Hayes
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From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Andrew Kirkpatrick
Sent: 20 February 2008 21:15
To: TEITAC Committee
Cc: Rosaline Crawford
Subject: Re: [teitac-committee] Definition of captions

No, that doesn't work. I can have text equivalents that aren't part of the video that can't be turned off and are therefore open captions.
AWK

From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Gregg Vanderheiden
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 4:06 PM
To: 'TEITAC Committee'
Cc: 'Rosaline Crawford'
Subject: Re: [teitac-committee] Definition of captions

Sorry,
Different color ink - so I missed them (really getting old)

Hmmm

That is shorter but pretty opaque. If you already know the answer you can parse this. But if I show it to others it is not clear what it means. It sounds like they are all embedded in video - which is not what most captions are. It also loses the introduction of open and closed captions.

I think the original text is better. But I remember your other older comment /issue.

Hmmmmmm


how about:

NOTE: Captions can be "closed captions" (e.g. supplemental visual or text equivalents) that can be turned on and off, or "open captions" (e.g. images of text embedded in video) that cannot be turned off.


Gregg
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Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.




Change:
To:
NOTE: Captions can be supplemental visual or text equivalents or images of text embedded in video.

I can put text captions on a movie and not allow them to be turned off.


Captions
Synchronized visual or text equivalents for audio information including both dialog and non-dialog audio information.
NOTE: Captions are similar to dialog-only subtitles except captions convey not only the content of spoken dialog, but also equivalents for other (non-spoken) audio information needed to understand the program content, including sound effects, music, laughter, speaker identification and location.
NOTE: Captions can be supplemental visual or text equivalents that can be turned on and off (closed captions) or images of text embedded in video (open captions).
NOTE: Captions should not obscure or obstruct relevant or key information.
NOTE: In some countries captions are called subtitles.





Gregg
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Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.

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