Thread Subject: Re: Definition Consensus Decision: Caption Text

From: Sean Hayes
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 10:55 AM

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I agree we should use the consensus version of captions when we get it and delete the definition of caption text.

Sean Hayes
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-----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Gregg Vanderheiden
Sent: 10 March 2008 16:40
To: 'TEITAC Committee'
Subject: Re: [teitac-committee] Definition Consensus Decision: Caption Text

Hi Karen,

I agree we should have just one definition

However- I think the solution is to just drop the "Caption Text" definition and use the CAPTION definition without edit (unless someone finds a problem with it)

Your edits below re-introduce issues by other members of both TEITAC and WCAG that were resolved in the other definition.

We finally reached consensus on the captions definition in WCAG. I would
hate to see all of that gone over again here.

I would ask if there are any objections to the other CAPTIONS definition - AS IS. (Without edits)

If there is a problem - with the captions definition. - then certainly we
should fix it. but I wouldn't change wording without a good reason since
it might just trigger another issue.



(for example your edits below re-introduce issues pointed out by Sean and by Andrew that were resolved in the other text).




Gregg
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Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.


Gregg
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Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto:teitac-committee- = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Karen
> Peltz Strauss
> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 10:16 AM
> To: TEITAC Committee
> Subject: Re: [teitac-committee] Definition Consensus Decision: Caption
> Text
>
> I agree that we should have one definition of captions, and just sent
> out a similar e-mail to a smaller group. I propose that we condense
> the two definitions into one and that the single definition read as
> follows:
>
>
> Captions
>
> "Syncronized text equivalents for audio information that provide not
> only the spoken dialog, but also text equivalents for non-speech audio
> information, including sound effects, music, laughter, speaker
> identification and location.
>
> Note 1: In some countries, the term "subtitle" is used to refer to
> dialogue only and "captions" is used as the term for dialogue plus
> sounds and speaker identification. In other countries, subtitle (or
> its translation) is used to refer to both.
>
> Note 2: Captions can be real text that can be turned on and off
> (closed
> captions) or images of text embedded in video (open captions).
>
> Note 3: Captions should not obsure or obstruct relevent or key
information.
> Note 4: Video descriptions can be, but do not need to be, captioned
> since they are descriptions of information that is already presented visually."
>
>
>
> Karen
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andi Snow-Weaver" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> To: "TEITAC Committee" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 10:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [teitac-committee] Definition Consensus Decision: Caption
> Text
>
>
> > Why do we need a definition for both "captions" and "caption text"?
> >
> > Andi
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mike Paciello"
> > <mpaciello@paciel
> > logroup.com>
> To
> > Sent by: "'TEITAC Committee'"
> > teitac-committee- < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> > = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> cc
> > ac.org
> >
> Subject
> > [teitac-committee] Definition
> > 03/09/2008 05:37 Consensus Decision: Caption Text
> > PM
> >
> >
> > Please respond to
> > mpaciello@paciell
> > ogroup.com;
> > Please respond to
> > TEITAC Committee
> > <teitac-committee
> > @list.teitac.org>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Following is the definition for Caption Text. If you do not agree
> > that this definition is acceptable, please reply and state your
> > reason. Please
> note
> > that this definition is harmonized with WCAG.
> >
> > Caption Text
> >
> > "Text presented and synchronized with synchronized media to provide
> > not only the speech, but also non-speech information conveyed
> > through sound, including meaningful sound effects and identification
> > of speakers
> >
> >
> > Note 1: In some countries, the term "subtitle" is used to refer to
> > dialogue only and "captions" is used as the term for dialogue plus
> > sounds and speaker identification. In other countries, subtitle (or
> > its
> translation)
> > is used to refer to both.
> >
> >
> > Note 2: Video descriptions can be, but do not need to be, captioned
> since
> > they are descriptions of information that is already presented
> visually."
> >
> >
> >
> >

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