Thread Subject: Re: Additional issues with closed,self-contained products

From: Gregg Vanderheiden
Date: Mon, Nov 13 2006 1:20 PM

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RE closed by policy.

I think we need to differentiate between closing the ability to load
arbitrary software onto a product and allowing a substitute interface.

Of course there is the 'data logging' issue whenever you allow interface
substitution. That is a tough one. Have to be careful there.

Most "closed by policy" is for security reasons (phishing, key logging,
privacy, virus). Sometimes it is for marketing though when it is around
DRM.



Gregg
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Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.



> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Jim Tobias
> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:39 PM
> To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ; 'TEITAC self contained/closed
> products subcommittee'
> Subject: Re: [teitac-closed] Additional issues with
> closed,self-contained products
>
> I'm still unsure why we allow products to be closed "by
> policy". I don't think it's necessary or acceptable any
> longer. Technologically, *our* concerns have to do with the
> user interface: how information is retrieved or displayed;
> *their* concerns are either confirming whether the user is
> authorized to retrieve certain information, or protecting the
> ICT from unwelcome interference. I think we can address
> their concerns without obliterating ours.
>
> Let's keep in mind that 508 is intended to *drive the
> market*, not adapt to other policy concerns automatically.
>
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> Jim Tobias
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>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Diane Golden [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
> > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 1:17 PM
> > To: 'TEITAC self contained/closed products subcommittee'
> > Subject: Re: [teitac-closed] Additional issues with
> > closed,self-contained products
> >
> > While I don't have an issue with this defintion from a theoretical
> > perspective -- it is not likely practical as a
> > 508 definition of closed, self-contained products so long
> as there is
> > a robust set of technical access standards to which such
> products must
> > conform. Specifically, if all products that meet the closed,
> > self-contained definition need to conform to the technical
> standands
> > for closed, self-contained products and those standards require
> > built-in access features comparable to something like the voting
> > system standards (speech output, large visual display output,
> > alternative input options, etc.) then public use computers
> (closed by
> > policy) would need to have a whole bunch of AT built into
> the system
> > or be loaded on so that each computer would meet the standards.
> >
> > Diane
> >
> > Diane Cordry Golden, Ph.D.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> > [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]On Behalf Of Gregg
> > Vanderheiden
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 3:35 PM
> > To: 'TEITAC self contained/closed products subcommittee'
> > Subject: Re: [teitac-closed] Additional issues with
> > closed,self-contained products
> >
> >
> > Definition of Closed that was presented at Plenary
> >
> > Any product where the user is prevented from installing or
> attaching
> > adaptive assistive technology due to physical, electrical or policy
> > restrictions.
> >
> > - this can be specific to the application rather than the
> hardware.
> > That is, a desktop computer that is purchased with library card
> > catalog software (where the desktop computer will be locked down)
> > would be closed and could only be evaluated with AT if the
> AT was to
> > be installed in the closed
> > products as purchased. Similarly a PC in a Kiosk would be
> > closed. A PC
> > on a user's desktop where the user can install any software
> they need
> > would not be closed.
> >
> >
> >
> > Gregg
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> > Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
> >
> >
> >

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