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From: Diane Golden
Date: Fri, Jun 08 2007 4:30 PM
Subject: Comparable Access Definition
How about using just the first sentence as the new defintion of comparable
access and moving the rest of the discussion to technical/explanatory
information. So the definition would read:
Comparable access means that individuals with disabilities have access to
and use of information and data that is timely, accurate, complete and
efficient when compared to that available to individuals without
disabilities.
And then there would be explanatory information that could read something
like the following with much more expansive examples --
Timely access means that individuals with disabilities have information and
data available to them at the same time as individuals without disabilities,
but that does not preclude captions that are a millisecond or two delayed or
other reasonable differences in timing. Accurate means that the information
and data reflects the intended meaning especially when converted into
another form or media. Complete means that no critical information or data
is missing when accessed by assistive technology or converted into another
form or media. Efficient means that an individual with a disability exerts
a reasonably similar or comparable amount of effort (given the capacity of
current assistive technology) in using electronic and information technology
as compared to an individual without a disability.
Is this approach an option?
Diane Golden
NASCIO
From: Barrett, Don
Date: Fri, Jun 08 2007 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: Comparable Access Definition
It gets my vote for sure.
Don Barrett
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Diane
Golden
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 6:32 PM
To: TEITAC SubPart A listserv (E-mail)
Subject: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
How about using just the first sentence as the new defintion of
comparable
access and moving the rest of the discussion to technical/explanatory
information. So the definition would read:
Comparable access means that individuals with disabilities have access
to
and use of information and data that is timely, accurate, complete and
efficient when compared to that available to individuals without
disabilities.
And then there would be explanatory information that could read
something
like the following with much more expansive examples --
Timely access means that individuals with disabilities have information
and
data available to them at the same time as individuals without
disabilities,
but that does not preclude captions that are a millisecond or two
delayed or
other reasonable differences in timing. Accurate means that the
information
and data reflects the intended meaning especially when converted into
another form or media. Complete means that no critical information or
data
is missing when accessed by assistive technology or converted into
another
form or media. Efficient means that an individual with a disability
exerts
a reasonably similar or comparable amount of effort (given the capacity
of
current assistive technology) in using electronic and information
technology
as compared to an individual without a disability.
Is this approach an option?
Diane Golden
NASCIO
From: Gregg Vanderheiden
Date: Fri, Jun 08 2007 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: Comparable Access Definition
Interesting.
What is "technical/explanatory information"?
Where does it go?
Preamble?
Gregg
-- ------------------------------
Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of
> Diane Golden
> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 5:32 PM
> To: TEITAC SubPart A listserv (E-mail)
> Subject: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
>
> How about using just the first sentence as the new defintion
> of comparable access and moving the rest of the discussion to
> technical/explanatory information. So the definition would read:
>
> Comparable access means that individuals with disabilities
> have access to and use of information and data that is
> timely, accurate, complete and efficient when compared to
> that available to individuals without disabilities.
>
> And then there would be explanatory information that could
> read something like the following with much more expansive
> examples -- Timely access means that individuals with
> disabilities have information and data available to them at
> the same time as individuals without disabilities, but that
> does not preclude captions that are a millisecond or two
> delayed or other reasonable differences in timing. Accurate
> means that the information and data reflects the intended
> meaning especially when converted into another form or media.
> Complete means that no critical information or data is
> missing when accessed by assistive technology or converted
> into another form or media. Efficient means that an
> individual with a disability exerts a reasonably similar or
> comparable amount of effort (given the capacity of current
> assistive technology) in using electronic and information
> technology as compared to an individual without a disability.
>
> Is this approach an option?
>
> Diane Golden
> NASCIO
>
>
From: Diane Golden
Date: Sat, Jun 09 2007 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: Comparable Access Definition
I was thinking something along the lines of report language that goes along with legislation, but anything that could talk more indepth would work like comments along with the rules. Just thought that might be a better alternative than trying to put all this explanation into the definition itself.
Diane
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From: Gregg Vanderheiden < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ; TEITAC Subpart A Subcommittee < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2007 11:41:42 PM
Subject: RE: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
Interesting.
What is "technical/explanatory information"?
Where does it go?
Preamble?
Gregg
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Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of
> Diane Golden
> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 5:32 PM
> To: TEITAC SubPart A listserv (E-mail)
> Subject: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
>
> How about using just the first sentence as the new defintion
> of comparable access and moving the rest of the discussion to
> technical/explanatory information. So the definition would read:
>
> Comparable access means that individuals with disabilities
> have access to and use of information and data that is
> timely, accurate, complete and efficient when compared to
> that available to individuals without disabilities.
>
> And then there would be explanatory information that could
> read something like the following with much more expansive
> examples -- Timely access means that individuals with
> disabilities have information and data available to them at
> the same time as individuals without disabilities, but that
> does not preclude captions that are a millisecond or two
> delayed or other reasonable differences in timing. Accurate
> means that the information and data reflects the intended
> meaning especially when converted into another form or media.
> Complete means that no critical information or data is
> missing when accessed by assistive technology or converted
> into another form or media. Efficient means that an
> individual with a disability exerts a reasonably similar or
> comparable amount of effort (given the capacity of current
> assistive technology) in using electronic and information
> technology as compared to an individual without a disability.
>
> Is this approach an option?
>
> Diane Golden
> NASCIO
>
>
From: Laughton, Mary Frances: ICT
Date: Sun, Jun 10 2007 7:05 AM
Subject: Comparable Access Definition
The June 8 definition and approach suggested by Diane gets my vote.
Mary Frances
--------------------------
Mary Frances Laughton
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From: Tom Brett
Date: Sun, Jun 10 2007 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: Comparable Access Definition
I think it would be wise to add one word to Diane's definition.
Comparable access means that individuals with disabilities have access to
and use of information and data that is AS timely, accurate, complete and
efficient when compared to that available to individuals without
disabilities.
Tom Brett
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[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Laughton, Mary
Frances: ICT
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 9:02 AM
To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Subject: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
The June 8 definition and approach suggested by Diane gets my vote.
Mary Frances
--------------------------
Mary Frances Laughton
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
From: Gregg Vanderheiden
Date: Sun, Jun 10 2007 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: Comparable Access Definition
Thanks
In our other standards work we found that we needed to define any words in
definition that were not meant to be used in the standard way that words
were defined and used in general practice. If we need to explain them
somewhere they would need to be in definition section. (Has to do with
normative and informative info. Definitions are normative and if the term
needs defining then it needs defining completely in normative section).
These would seem to be pretty specific and should therefore be in the
definition. Something like:
Comparable access means that individuals with disabilities have access to
and use of information and data that is timely, accurate, complete and
efficient when compared to that available to individuals without
disabilities where:
- timely access means that individuals with disabilities have
information and data available to them at the same time as individuals
without disabilities, but that does not preclude captions that are a
millisecond or two delayed or other reasonable differences in timing;
- accurate means that the information and data reflects the
intended meaning especially when converted into another form or media;
- complete means that no critical information or data is missing
when accessed by assistive technology or converted into another form or
media; and
- efficient means that an individual with a disability exerts a
reasonably similar or comparable amount of effort (given the capacity of
current assistive technology) in using electronic and information technology
as compared to an individual without a disability.
(this is just the definition form your email below - reformatted)
Otherwise I'm afraid the definition would generate more questions and debate
than the original term. Look how long it took for the group to work out a
meaning for them. I wouldn't lose that.
Gregg
-- ------------------------------
Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
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From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Diane Golden
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 9:30 PM
To: TEITAC Subpart A Subcommittee
Subject: Re: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
I was thinking something along the lines of report language that goes along
with legislation, but anything that could talk more indepth would work like
comments along with the rules. Just thought that might be a better
alternative than trying to put all this explanation into the definition
itself.
Diane
----- Original Message ----
From: Gregg Vanderheiden < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ; TEITAC Subpart A Subcommittee
< = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2007 11:41:42 PM
Subject: RE: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
Interesting.
What is "technical/explanatory information"?
Where does it go?
Preamble?
Gregg
-- ------------------------------
Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of
> Diane Golden
> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 5:32 PM
> To: TEITAC SubPart A listserv (E-mail)
> Subject: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
>
> How about using just the first sentence as the new defintion
> of comparable access and moving the rest of the discussion to
> technical/explanatory information. So the definition would read:
>
> Comparable access means that individuals with disabilities
> have access to and use of information and data that is
> timely, accurate, complete and efficient when compared to
> that available to individuals without disabilities.
>
> And then there would be explanatory information that could
> read something like the following with much more expansive
> examples -- Timely access means that individuals with
> disabilities have information and data available to them at
> the same time as individuals without disabilities, but that
> does not preclude captions that are a millisecond or two
> delayed or other reasonable differences in timing. Accurate
> means that the information and data reflects the intended
> meaning especially when converted into another form or media.
> Complete means that no critical information or data is
> missing when accessed by assistive technology or converted
> into another form or media. Efficient means that an
> individual with a disability exerts a reasonably similar or
> comparable amount of effort (given the capacity of current
> assistive technology) in using electronic and information
> technology as compared to an individual without a disability.
>
> Is this approach an option?
>
> Diane Golden
> NASCIO
>
>
From: Gunnar Hellström
Date: Mon, Jun 11 2007 1:00 AM
Subject: Re: Comparable Access Definition
The current proposed main definition contains "access to and use of
information and data"
I suggest adding "communication"
Human communication might be interpreted to be included in the terms
"information and data", but I do not think that is obvious.
This addition would make the main definition be:
"Comparable access means that individuals with disabilities have access to
and use of communication, information and data that is timely, accurate,
complete and
efficient when compared to that available to individuals without
disabilities."
That would make it obvious that whatever accessible communication method is
introduced would need to aim at global interoperability like voice
telephony, and that relay services would be made available that bridges the
gap between voice telephony and accessible communication.
Gunnar Hellstrom
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Gunnar Hellström
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From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Laughton, Mary
Frances: ICT
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 3:02 PM
To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Subject: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
The June 8 definition and approach suggested by Diane gets my vote.
Mary Frances
--------------------------
Mary Frances Laughton
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From: Deborah Buck
Date: Mon, Jun 11 2007 3:30 AM
Subject: Re: Comparable Access Definition
The terms ?access to and use of information and data? is not proposed
language- it comes directly from the 508 law and is reiterated in the
definition of IT and E&IT. No changes in that term have been suggested for
those defined terms in relation to that phrasing. I would suggest that we
remain consistent with statute
Information technology. Any equipment or interconnected system or subsystem
of equipment, that is used in the automatic acquisition, storage,
manipulation, management, movement, control, display, switching,
interchange, transmission, or reception of DATA OR INFORMATION. The term
information technology includes computers, ancillary equipment, software,
firmware and similar procedures, services (including support services), and
related resources.
-----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Gunnar
Hellström
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 2:59 AM
To: 'TEITAC Subpart A Subcommittee'
Subject: Re: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
The current proposed main definition contains "access to and use of
information and data"
I suggest adding "communication"
Human communication might be interpreted to be included in the terms
"information and data", but I do not think that is obvious.
This addition would make the main definition be:
"Comparable access means that individuals with disabilities have access to
and use of communication, information and data that is timely, accurate,
complete and
efficient when compared to that available to individuals without
disabilities."
That would make it obvious that whatever accessible communication method is
introduced would need to aim at global interoperability like voice
telephony, and that relay services would be made available that bridges the
gap between voice telephony and accessible communication.
Gunnar Hellstrom
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Gunnar Hellström
Omnitor
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Tel: +46708204288
www.omnitor.se <http://www.omnitor.se/>
_____
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Laughton, Mary
Frances: ICT
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 3:02 PM
To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Subject: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
The June 8 definition and approach suggested by Diane gets my vote.
Mary Frances
--------------------------
Mary Frances Laughton
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From: Hoffman, Allen
Date: Mon, Jun 11 2007 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: Comparable Access Definition
I concur with Don.
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-----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Barrett,
Don
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 7:32 PM
To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ; TEITAC Subpart A Subcommittee
Subject: Re: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
It gets my vote for sure.
Don Barrett
-----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Diane
Golden
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 6:32 PM
To: TEITAC SubPart A listserv (E-mail)
Subject: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
How about using just the first sentence as the new defintion of
comparable access and moving the rest of the discussion to
technical/explanatory information. So the definition would read:
Comparable access means that individuals with disabilities have access
to and use of information and data that is timely, accurate, complete
and efficient when compared to that available to individuals without
disabilities.
And then there would be explanatory information that could read
something like the following with much more expansive examples -- Timely
access means that individuals with disabilities have information and
data available to them at the same time as individuals without
disabilities, but that does not preclude captions that are a millisecond
or two delayed or other reasonable differences in timing. Accurate
means that the information and data reflects the intended meaning
especially when converted into another form or media. Complete means
that no critical information or data is missing when accessed by
assistive technology or converted into another form or media. Efficient
means that an individual with a disability exerts a reasonably similar
or comparable amount of effort (given the capacity of current assistive
technology) in using electronic and information technology as compared
to an individual without a disability.
Is this approach an option?
Diane Golden
NASCIO
From: Diane Golden
Date: Mon, Jun 11 2007 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: Comparable Access Definition
The problem is that the explanation still isn't sufficient. I just tossed
out the explanatory wording as a start since we'd been working on it.
However, there needs to be a more extended discussion especially about
"timely" and "effcient" to make sure it is understood these are going to be
case-by-case decisions based on consideration of a number of factors much
like determining what is a "reasonable" accommodation or what is an
"appropriate" education.
What we might want to do is agree on the first sentence as the core
defintion and then provide additional explanatory information and leave it
to the Access Board where to house that additional language (as part of the
definition itself or not.)
Diane
-----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]On Behalf Of Gregg
Vanderheiden
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 11:05 PM
To: 'TEITAC Subpart A Subcommittee'
Subject: Re: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
Thanks
In our other standards work we found that we needed to define any words in
definition that were not meant to be used in the standard way that words
were defined and used in general practice. If we need to explain them
somewhere they would need to be in definition section. (Has to do with
normative and informative info. Definitions are normative and if the term
needs defining then it needs defining completely in normative section).
These would seem to be pretty specific and should therefore be in the
definition. Something like:
Comparable access means that individuals with disabilities have access to
and use of information and data that is timely, accurate, complete and
efficient when compared to that available to individuals without
disabilities where:
- timely access means that individuals with disabilities have
information and data available to them at the same time as individuals
without disabilities, but that does not preclude captions that are a
millisecond or two delayed or other reasonable differences in timing;
- accurate means that the information and data reflects the
intended meaning especially when converted into another form or media;
- complete means that no critical information or data is missing
when accessed by assistive technology or converted into another form or
media; and
- efficient means that an individual with a disability exerts a
reasonably similar or comparable amount of effort (given the capacity of
current assistive technology) in using electronic and information technology
as compared to an individual without a disability.
(this is just the definition form your email below - reformatted)
Otherwise I'm afraid the definition would generate more questions and debate
than the original term. Look how long it took for the group to work out a
meaning for them. I wouldn't lose that.
Gregg
-- ------------------------------
Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
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--
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Diane Golden
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 9:30 PM
To: TEITAC Subpart A Subcommittee
Subject: Re: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
I was thinking something along the lines of report language that goes
along with legislation, but anything that could talk more indepth would work
like comments along with the rules. Just thought that might be a better
alternative than trying to put all this explanation into the definition
itself.
Diane
----- Original Message ----
From: Gregg Vanderheiden < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ; TEITAC Subpart A Subcommittee
< = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2007 11:41:42 PM
Subject: RE: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
Interesting.
What is "technical/explanatory information"?
Where does it go?
Preamble?
Gregg
-- ------------------------------
Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of
> Diane Golden
> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 5:32 PM
> To: TEITAC SubPart A listserv (E-mail)
> Subject: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
>
> How about using just the first sentence as the new defintion
> of comparable access and moving the rest of the discussion to
> technical/explanatory information. So the definition would read:
>
> Comparable access means that individuals with disabilities
> have access to and use of information and data that is
> timely, accurate, complete and efficient when compared to
> that available to individuals without disabilities.
>
> And then there would be explanatory information that could
> read something like the following with much more expansive
> examples -- Timely access means that individuals with
> disabilities have information and data available to them at
> the same time as individuals without disabilities, but that
> does not preclude captions that are a millisecond or two
> delayed or other reasonable differences in timing. Accurate
> means that the information and data reflects the intended
> meaning especially when converted into another form or media.
> Complete means that no critical information or data is
> missing when accessed by assistive technology or converted
> into another form or media. Efficient means that an
> individual with a disability exerts a reasonably similar or
> comparable amount of effort (given the capacity of current
> assistive technology) in using electronic and information
> technology as compared to an individual without a disability.
>
> Is this approach an option?
>
> Diane Golden
> NASCIO
>
>
From: Katie Haritos-Shea
Date: Mon, Jun 11 2007 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: Comparable Access Definition
I like this idea.
Katie Haritos-Shea
-----Original Message-----
>From: Diane Golden < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>Sent: Jun 8, 2007 6:32 PM
>To: "TEITAC SubPart A listserv (E-mail)" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>Subject: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
>
>How about using just the first sentence as the new defintion of comparable
>access and moving the rest of the discussion to technical/explanatory
>information. So the definition would read:
>
>Comparable access means that individuals with disabilities have access to
>and use of information and data that is timely, accurate, complete and
>efficient when compared to that available to individuals without
>disabilities.
>
>And then there would be explanatory information that could read something
>like the following with much more expansive examples --
>Timely access means that individuals with disabilities have information and
>data available to them at the same time as individuals without disabilities,
>but that does not preclude captions that are a millisecond or two delayed or
>other reasonable differences in timing. Accurate means that the information
>and data reflects the intended meaning especially when converted into
>another form or media. Complete means that no critical information or data
>is missing when accessed by assistive technology or converted into another
>form or media. Efficient means that an individual with a disability exerts
>a reasonably similar or comparable amount of effort (given the capacity of
>current assistive technology) in using electronic and information technology
>as compared to an individual without a disability.
>
>Is this approach an option?
>
>Diane Golden
>NASCIO
>
>
From: Gregg Vanderheiden
Date: Mon, Jun 11 2007 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: Comparable Access Definition
Hi Deborah,
The definition you cite is the definition for IT. When doing E&IT we are
supposed to include telecommunication. Thus E&IT is more than DATA OR
INFORMATION. It should also include ?COMMUNICATION. The definition of
E&IT specifically mentions telecom ? so I think we should include
communication in all the places we use ?data or information? unless we
specifically mean IT and not E&IT.
Gregg
-- ------------------------------
Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
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From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Deborah Buck
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 4:24 AM
To: 'TEITAC Subpart A Subcommittee'
Subject: Re: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
The terms ?access to and use of information and data? is not proposed
language- it comes directly from the 508 law and is reiterated in the
definition of IT and E&IT. No changes in that term have been suggested for
those defined terms in relation to that phrasing. I would suggest that we
remain consistent with statute
Information technology. Any equipment or interconnected system or subsystem
of equipment, that is used in the automatic acquisition, storage,
manipulation, management, movement, control, display, switching,
interchange, transmission, or reception of DATA OR INFORMATION. The term
information technology includes computers, ancillary equipment, software,
firmware and similar procedures, services (including support services), and
related resources.
-----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Gunnar
Hellström
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 2:59 AM
To: 'TEITAC Subpart A Subcommittee'
Subject: Re: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
The current proposed main definition contains "access to and use of
information and data"
I suggest adding "communication"
Human communication might be interpreted to be included in the terms
"information and data", but I do not think that is obvious.
This addition would make the main definition be:
"Comparable access means that individuals with disabilities have access to
and use of communication, information and data that is timely, accurate,
complete and
efficient when compared to that available to individuals without
disabilities."
That would make it obvious that whatever accessible communication method is
introduced would need to aim at global interoperability like voice
telephony, and that relay services would be made available that bridges the
gap between voice telephony and accessible communication.
Gunnar Hellstrom
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Gunnar Hellström
Omnitor
= EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Tel: +46708204288
www.omnitor.se <http://www.omnitor.se/>
_____
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Laughton, Mary
Frances: ICT
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 3:02 PM
To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Subject: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
The June 8 definition and approach suggested by Diane gets my vote.
Mary Frances
--------------------------
Mary Frances Laughton
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
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From: Deborah Buck
Date: Mon, Jun 11 2007 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: Comparable Access Definition
After I quickly sent that out the message this morning I realized I should
have included the definition of E&IT to solidify my point. The definition
of E&IT also uses the term ?data and information?. The current definition
and what is under consideration by the Subpart A group does clarify that it
?includes, but is not limited to telecom?, but does not use the term
communication. I think that by virtue of the existing and proposed
definition clarifying that data and information includes telecom we can be
consistent in using the terms through out IT, E&IT and Comparable Access
without having to add a new term such as communication and then have to
define that term.
Electronic and information technology. Includes information technology and
any equipment or interconnected system or subsystem of equipment, that is
used in the creation, conversion, or duplication of data or information. The
term electronic and information technology includes, but is not limited to,
telecommunications products (such as telephones), information kiosks and
transaction machines, World Wide Web sites, multimedia, and office equipment
such as copiers and fax machines. The term does not include any equipment
that contains embedded information technology that is used as an integral
part of the product, but the principal function of which is not the
acquisition, storage, manipulation, management, movement, control, display,
switching, interchange, transmission, or reception of data or information.
For example, HVAC (heating, ventilation, and air conditioning) equipment
such as thermostats or temperature control devices, and medical equipment
where information technology is integral to its operation, are not
information technology.
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Gregg
Vanderheiden
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 6:05 PM
To: 'TEITAC Subpart A Subcommittee'
Subject: Re: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
Hi Deborah,
The definition you cite is the definition for IT. When doing E&IT we are
supposed to include telecommunication. Thus E&IT is more than DATA OR
INFORMATION. It should also include ?COMMUNICATION. The definition of
E&IT specifically mentions telecom ? so I think we should include
communication in all the places we use ?data or information? unless we
specifically mean IT and not E&IT.
Gregg
-- ------------------------------
Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
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From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Deborah Buck
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 4:24 AM
To: 'TEITAC Subpart A Subcommittee'
Subject: Re: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
The terms ?access to and use of information and data? is not proposed
language- it comes directly from the 508 law and is reiterated in the
definition of IT and E&IT. No changes in that term have been suggested for
those defined terms in relation to that phrasing. I would suggest that we
remain consistent with statute
Information technology. Any equipment or interconnected system or subsystem
of equipment, that is used in the automatic acquisition, storage,
manipulation, management, movement, control, display, switching,
interchange, transmission, or reception of DATA OR INFORMATION. The term
information technology includes computers, ancillary equipment, software,
firmware and similar procedures, services (including support services), and
related resources.
-----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Gunnar
Hellström
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 2:59 AM
To: 'TEITAC Subpart A Subcommittee'
Subject: Re: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
The current proposed main definition contains "access to and use of
information and data"
I suggest adding "communication"
Human communication might be interpreted to be included in the terms
"information and data", but I do not think that is obvious.
This addition would make the main definition be:
"Comparable access means that individuals with disabilities have access to
and use of communication, information and data that is timely, accurate,
complete and
efficient when compared to that available to individuals without
disabilities."
That would make it obvious that whatever accessible communication method is
introduced would need to aim at global interoperability like voice
telephony, and that relay services would be made available that bridges the
gap between voice telephony and accessible communication.
Gunnar Hellstrom
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Frances: ICT
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 3:02 PM
To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Subject: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
The June 8 definition and approach suggested by Diane gets my vote.
Mary Frances
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From: Diane Golden
Date: Mon, Jun 11 2007 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: Comparable Access Definition
Comparable Access DefinitionJust to follow up on this -- the statutory
reference is also related to the "comparable access" mandate, not just the
IT or EIT defintion. Sec 508 (a)(1)(i) and (ii) and the regulations
(1194.1) both require that federal employees and members of the public have
"access to and use of information and data that is comparable to access to
and use of the information and data" by individuals who do not have
disabilities. That is why the definition of "comparable access" used the
words "information and data" rather than "information, data, and
communication." If we don't come to any consensus on this issue, I'll note
it as an alternative wording addition to clarify that "communication" is
included.
Diane
-----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]On Behalf Of Gregg
Vanderheiden
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 5:05 PM
To: 'TEITAC Subpart A Subcommittee'
Subject: Re: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
Hi Deborah,
The definition you cite is the definition for IT. When doing E&IT we are
supposed to include telecommunication. Thus E&IT is more than DATA OR
INFORMATION. It should also include ?COMMUNICATION. The definition of
E&IT specifically mentions telecom ? so I think we should include
communication in all the places we use ?data or information? unless we
specifically mean IT and not E&IT.
Gregg
-- ------------------------------
Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
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From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Deborah Buck
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 4:24 AM
To: 'TEITAC Subpart A Subcommittee'
Subject: Re: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
The terms ?access to and use of information and data? is not proposed
language- it comes directly from the 508 law and is reiterated in the
definition of IT and E&IT. No changes in that term have been suggested for
those defined terms in relation to that phrasing. I would suggest that we
remain consistent with statute
Information technology. Any equipment or interconnected system or
subsystem of equipment, that is used in the automatic acquisition, storage,
manipulation, management, movement, control, display, switching,
interchange, transmission, or reception of DATA OR INFORMATION. The term
information technology includes computers, ancillary equipment, software,
firmware and similar procedures, services (including support services), and
related resources.
-----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Gunnar
Hellström
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 2:59 AM
To: 'TEITAC Subpart A Subcommittee'
Subject: Re: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
The current proposed main definition contains "access to and use of
information and data"
I suggest adding "communication"
Human communication might be interpreted to be included in the terms
"information and data", but I do not think that is obvious.
This addition would make the main definition be:
"Comparable access means that individuals with disabilities have access to
and use of communication, information and data that is timely, accurate,
complete and
efficient when compared to that available to individuals without
disabilities."
That would make it obvious that whatever accessible communication method
is introduced would need to aim at global interoperability like voice
telephony, and that relay services would be made available that bridges the
gap between voice telephony and accessible communication.
Gunnar Hellstrom
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Gunnar Hellström
Omnitor
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Tel: +46708204288
www.omnitor.se
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Laughton, Mary
Frances: ICT
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 3:02 PM
To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Subject: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
The June 8 definition and approach suggested by Diane gets my vote.
Mary Frances
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From: Gregg Vanderheiden
Date: Mon, Jun 11 2007 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: Comparable Access Definition
Sounds good.
Don't know that it is anything to fall on sword over one way or the other.
But it is in our scope so it sounded good to me when he suggested it.
Does anyone see a problem with it other than it isn't in our definitions
now?
(We have been rather IT biased in our work and language. )
Gregg
-- ------------------------------
Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
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From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Diane Golden
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 5:29 PM
To: 'TEITAC Subpart A Subcommittee'
Subject: Re: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
Just to follow up on this -- the statutory reference is also related to the
"comparable access" mandate, not just the IT or EIT defintion. Sec 508
(a)(1)(i) and (ii) and the regulations (1194.1) both require that federal
employees and members of the public have "access to and use of information
and data that is comparable to access to and use of the information and
data" by individuals who do not have disabilities. That is why the
definition of "comparable access" used the words "information and data"
rather than "information, data, and communication." If we don't come to
any consensus on this issue, I'll note it as an alternative wording addition
to clarify that "communication" is included.
Diane
-----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]On Behalf Of Gregg
Vanderheiden
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 5:05 PM
To: 'TEITAC Subpart A Subcommittee'
Subject: Re: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
Hi Deborah,
The definition you cite is the definition for IT. When doing E&IT we are
supposed to include telecommunication. Thus E&IT is more than DATA OR
INFORMATION. It should also include 'COMMUNICATION. The definition of
E&IT specifically mentions telecom - so I think we should include
communication in all the places we use "data or information" unless we
specifically mean IT and not E&IT.
Gregg
-- ------------------------------
Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
_____
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Deborah Buck
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 4:24 AM
To: 'TEITAC Subpart A Subcommittee'
Subject: Re: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
The terms 'access to and use of information and data" is not proposed
language- it comes directly from the 508 law and is reiterated in the
definition of IT and E&IT. No changes in that term have been suggested for
those defined terms in relation to that phrasing. I would suggest that we
remain consistent with statute
Information technology. Any equipment or interconnected system or subsystem
of equipment, that is used in the automatic acquisition, storage,
manipulation, management, movement, control, display, switching,
interchange, transmission, or reception of DATA OR INFORMATION. The term
information technology includes computers, ancillary equipment, software,
firmware and similar procedures, services (including support services), and
related resources.
-----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Gunnar
Hellström
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 2:59 AM
To: 'TEITAC Subpart A Subcommittee'
Subject: Re: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
The current proposed main definition contains "access to and use of
information and data"
I suggest adding "communication"
Human communication might be interpreted to be included in the terms
"information and data", but I do not think that is obvious.
This addition would make the main definition be:
"Comparable access means that individuals with disabilities have access to
and use of communication, information and data that is timely, accurate,
complete and
efficient when compared to that available to individuals without
disabilities."
That would make it obvious that whatever accessible communication method is
introduced would need to aim at global interoperability like voice
telephony, and that relay services would be made available that bridges the
gap between voice telephony and accessible communication.
Gunnar Hellstrom
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Gunnar Hellström
Omnitor
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Tel: +46708204288
www.omnitor.se <http://www.omnitor.se/>
_____
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Laughton, Mary
Frances: ICT
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 3:02 PM
To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Subject: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
The June 8 definition and approach suggested by Diane gets my vote.
Mary Frances
--------------------------
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From: Deborah Buck
Date: Tue, Jun 12 2007 4:45 AM
Subject: Re: Comparable Access Definition
In my mind its redundant- isn?t communication the transfer of data and
information?
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Gregg
Vanderheiden
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 7:33 PM
To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ; 'TEITAC Subpart A Subcommittee'
Subject: Re: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
Sounds good.
Don't know that it is anything to fall on sword over one way or the other.
But it is in our scope so it sounded good to me when he suggested it.
Does anyone see a problem with it other than it isn't in our definitions
now?
(We have been rather IT biased in our work and language. )
Gregg
-- ------------------------------
Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
_____
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Diane Golden
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 5:29 PM
To: 'TEITAC Subpart A Subcommittee'
Subject: Re: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
Just to follow up on this -- the statutory reference is also related to the
"comparable access" mandate, not just the IT or EIT defintion. Sec 508
(a)(1)(i) and (ii) and the regulations (1194.1) both require that federal
employees and members of the public have "access to and use of information
and data that is comparable to access to and use of the information and
data" by individuals who do not have disabilities. That is why the
definition of "comparable access" used the words "information and data"
rather than "information, data, and communication." If we don't come to
any consensus on this issue, I'll note it as an alternative wording addition
to clarify that "communication" is included.
Diane
-----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]On Behalf Of Gregg
Vanderheiden
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 5:05 PM
To: 'TEITAC Subpart A Subcommittee'
Subject: Re: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
Hi Deborah,
The definition you cite is the definition for IT. When doing E&IT we are
supposed to include telecommunication. Thus E&IT is more than DATA OR
INFORMATION. It should also include 'COMMUNICATION. The definition of
E&IT specifically mentions telecom - so I think we should include
communication in all the places we use "data or information" unless we
specifically mean IT and not E&IT.
Gregg
-- ------------------------------
Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
_____
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Deborah Buck
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 4:24 AM
To: 'TEITAC Subpart A Subcommittee'
Subject: Re: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
The terms 'access to and use of information and data" is not proposed
language- it comes directly from the 508 law and is reiterated in the
definition of IT and E&IT. No changes in that term have been suggested for
those defined terms in relation to that phrasing. I would suggest that we
remain consistent with statute
Information technology. Any equipment or interconnected system or subsystem
of equipment, that is used in the automatic acquisition, storage,
manipulation, management, movement, control, display, switching,
interchange, transmission, or reception of DATA OR INFORMATION. The term
information technology includes computers, ancillary equipment, software,
firmware and similar procedures, services (including support services), and
related resources.
-----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Gunnar
Hellström
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 2:59 AM
To: 'TEITAC Subpart A Subcommittee'
Subject: Re: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
The current proposed main definition contains "access to and use of
information and data"
I suggest adding "communication"
Human communication might be interpreted to be included in the terms
"information and data", but I do not think that is obvious.
This addition would make the main definition be:
"Comparable access means that individuals with disabilities have access to
and use of communication, information and data that is timely, accurate,
complete and
efficient when compared to that available to individuals without
disabilities."
That would make it obvious that whatever accessible communication method is
introduced would need to aim at global interoperability like voice
telephony, and that relay services would be made available that bridges the
gap between voice telephony and accessible communication.
Gunnar Hellstrom
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Gunnar Hellström
Omnitor
= EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Tel: +46708204288
www.omnitor.se <http://www.omnitor.se/>
_____
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Laughton, Mary
Frances: ICT
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 3:02 PM
To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Subject: [teitac-subparta] Comparable Access Definition
The June 8 definition and approach suggested by Diane gets my vote.
Mary Frances
--------------------------
Mary Frances Laughton
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
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