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From: Jasionowski, Tony
Date: Tue, Aug 21 2007 1:55 PM
Subject: teitac-video Meeting

To: AV Sub Committee,
The AV Sub committee will meet as scheduled tomorrow, Wed, Aug. 22,
3-4pm ET to discuss and agree on the attached 8/17 AV sub com draft as
final.

NEXT PHONE MEETING:

Wednesday, August 22, 3-4pm ET (may extend to 4:30pm)

PHONE BRIDGE (supplied by Adobe):
Meeting id#: 107147
1-877-220-5439 (US)
1-800-64-219 (Australia)
44-20-8608-1105 (London)

Alternatively, dial into a local office and transfer to x69900
353-1-433-6790 (Dublin)
81-3-5740-2600 (Tokyo)
91-120-2444711 (Noida)

Thanks.

Tony

Tony Jasionowski
AV Sub Com Co-Chair
(Panasonic)

From: Andrew Kirkpatrick
Date: Tue, Aug 21 2007 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: teitac-video Meeting

I can't attend the a/v call tomorrow, but here are a couple of thoughts:

1) This phrase:
- Decode caption data, when available, and pass a decoded
("open-captioned") video signal to the DTV display or monitor. For
personal video display devices, decoding of caption data will be subject
to the "readily achievable" standard; if decoding of caption data is not
"readily achievable," open-captioned video must be supplied for use on
that device.

I don't believe that we are in a position to require open or closed
captions on a specific device. The captions are delivered as part of
the content, and this phrase might be interpreted as requiring open
captions as long as there is a device that doesn't support closed
captions. The compliance of the content is separate from the compliance
of the device, and as such we could just leave off the "if decoding of
caption data....on that device" phrase and be OK.


2) 6.2.E Interactive Elements
All "multimedia" containing interactive elements, such as menus for
selection and access to segments of the content, that are part of the
content must include verbal equivalents for menu selections.

This is referring to software. This doesn't have anything to do with
the audio/video standards and as such should be removed. We had
language earlier that was effectively a note that told people who were
looking here because they were creating a DVD with a menu that they
needed to look at other standards also, but there is no place for this
here.

AWK




> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of
> Jasionowski, Tony
> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 3:50 PM
> To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> Subject: [teitac-video] teitac-video Meeting
>
> To: AV Sub Committee,
> The AV Sub committee will meet as scheduled tomorrow, Wed,
> Aug. 22, 3-4pm ET to discuss and agree on the attached 8/17
> AV sub com draft as final.
>
> NEXT PHONE MEETING:
>
> Wednesday, August 22, 3-4pm ET (may extend to 4:30pm)
>
> PHONE BRIDGE (supplied by Adobe):
> Meeting id#: 107147
> 1-877-220-5439 (US)
> 1-800-64-219 (Australia)
> 44-20-8608-1105 (London)
>
> Alternatively, dial into a local office and transfer to
> x69900 353-1-433-6790 (Dublin) 81-3-5740-2600 (Tokyo)
> 91-120-2444711 (Noida)
>
> Thanks.
>
> Tony
>
> Tony Jasionowski
> AV Sub Com Co-Chair
> (Panasonic)
>

From: geoff freed
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2007 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: teitac-video Meeting

I agree with #1 below-- we're concerned with the content, not the
device. However, if CC decoding isn't available, doesn't our not
requiring open-captions create a loophole permitting inaccessible video?

Geoff/NCAM



On Aug 21, 2007, at 10:27 PM, Andrew Kirkpatrick wrote:

> I can't attend the a/v call tomorrow, but here are a couple of
> thoughts:
>
> 1) This phrase:
> - Decode caption data, when available, and pass a decoded
> ("open-captioned") video signal to the DTV display or monitor. For
> personal video display devices, decoding of caption data will be
> subject
> to the "readily achievable" standard; if decoding of caption data
> is not
> "readily achievable," open-captioned video must be supplied for use on
> that device.
>
> I don't believe that we are in a position to require open or closed
> captions on a specific device. The captions are delivered as part of
> the content, and this phrase might be interpreted as requiring open
> captions as long as there is a device that doesn't support closed
> captions. The compliance of the content is separate from the
> compliance
> of the device, and as such we could just leave off the "if decoding of
> caption data....on that device" phrase and be OK.
>
>
> 2) 6.2.E Interactive Elements
> All "multimedia" containing interactive elements, such as menus for
> selection and access to segments of the content, that are part of the
> content must include verbal equivalents for menu selections.
>
> This is referring to software. This doesn't have anything to do with
> the audio/video standards and as such should be removed. We had
> language earlier that was effectively a note that told people who were
> looking here because they were creating a DVD with a menu that they
> needed to look at other standards also, but there is no place for this
> here.
>
> AWK
>
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of
>> Jasionowski, Tony
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 3:50 PM
>> To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>> Subject: [teitac-video] teitac-video Meeting
>>
>> To: AV Sub Committee,
>> The AV Sub committee will meet as scheduled tomorrow, Wed,
>> Aug. 22, 3-4pm ET to discuss and agree on the attached 8/17
>> AV sub com draft as final.
>>
>> NEXT PHONE MEETING:
>>
>> Wednesday, August 22, 3-4pm ET (may extend to 4:30pm)
>>
>> PHONE BRIDGE (supplied by Adobe):
>> Meeting id#: 107147
>> 1-877-220-5439 (US)
>> 1-800-64-219 (Australia)
>> 44-20-8608-1105 (London)
>>
>> Alternatively, dial into a local office and transfer to
>> x69900 353-1-433-6790 (Dublin) 81-3-5740-2600 (Tokyo)
>> 91-120-2444711 (Noida)
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> Tony Jasionowski
>> AV Sub Com Co-Chair
>> (Panasonic)
>>
>