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From: Karen Peltz Strauss
Date: Wed, Oct 31 2007 2:05 PM
Subject: new language
For products that are covered under 4-A.1, the user controls needed to
access closed captioning and video description must be in at least one
location that is comparable in prominence to the controls needed to control
volume or program selection. At a minimum, this requires placement of such
controls on either the product's physical apparatus or its remote control,
where the ability to control volume or program selection is otherwise
provided on that apparatus or remote control.
For example:
For captioning:
a.. A caption on/off button on a TV remote comparable in prominence to the
volume control on that remote;
b.. Caption controls on the first menu that appear when on-screen menus
are displayed
For video description:
A tactile button to turn on video description.
Karen
From: Andrew Kirkpatrick
Date: Thu, Nov 01 2007 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: new language
1) I think that where it reads "for products that are covered under
4-A.1" it should say:
"For products that are covered under 4-A.1 that decode caption data"
2) If we are referencing video description controls, we should point to
4-B somewhere shouldn't we?
3) We also need to come up with information about the economic impact of
our standards for the November meetings.
AWK
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of
> Karen Peltz Strauss
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 4:07 PM
> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> Subject: [teitac-video] new language
>
> For products that are covered under 4-A.1, the user controls
> needed to access closed captioning and video description must
> be in at least one location that is comparable in prominence
> to the controls needed to control volume or program
> selection. At a minimum, this requires placement of such
> controls on either the product's physical apparatus or its
> remote control, where the ability to control volume or
> program selection is otherwise provided on that apparatus or
> remote control.
>
> For example:
> For captioning:
>
> a.. A caption on/off button on a TV remote comparable in
> prominence to the volume control on that remote;
> b.. Caption controls on the first menu that appear when
> on-screen menus are displayed For video description:
>
>
>
> A tactile button to turn on video description.
>
>
>
>
>
> Karen
>
From: Schomburg, Paul
Date: Thu, Nov 01 2007 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: new language
Folks: As discussed on yesterday's TEITAC AV call, I have added a
suggested note to amend Karen's language below that I hope is
understandable & acceptable.
Thanks, Paul
----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Karen Peltz
Strauss
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 4:07 PM
To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
Subject: [teitac-video] new language
For products that are covered under 4-A.1, the user controls needed to
access closed captioning and video description must be in at least one
location that is comparable in prominence to the controls needed to
control volume or program selection. At a minimum, this requires
placement of such controls on either the product's physical apparatus or
its remote control, where the ability to control volume or program
selection is otherwise provided on that apparatus or remote control.
For example:
For captioning:
a.. A caption on/off button on a TV remote comparable in prominence to
the volume control on that remote;
b.. Caption controls on the first menu that appear when on-screen
menus are displayed
For video description: A tactile button to turn on video description.
Note: "Comparable in prominence" does not require exact equivalence in
size, location, or shape.
Rationale: Manufacturers are encouraged to use buttons with unique
shapes to enable persons with low vision to make a tactile distinction
among them.
From: Karen Peltz Strauss
Date: Thu, Nov 01 2007 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: new language
This is fine with me.
Karen
----- Original Message -----
From: Schomburg, Paul
To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [teitac-video] new language
Folks: As discussed on yesterday's TEITAC AV call, I have added a suggested note to amend Karen's language below that I hope is understandable & acceptable.
Thanks, Paul
----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Karen Peltz Strauss
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 4:07 PM
To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
Subject: [teitac-video] new language
For products that are covered under 4-A.1, the user controls needed to access closed captioning and video description must be in at least one location that is comparable in prominence to the controls needed to control volume or program selection. At a minimum, this requires placement of such controls on either the product's physical apparatus or its remote control, where the ability to control volume or program selection is otherwise provided on that apparatus or remote control.
For example:
For captioning:
a.. A caption on/off button on a TV remote comparable in prominence to the volume control on that remote;
b.. Caption controls on the first menu that appear when on-screen menus are displayed
For video description: A tactile button to turn on video description.
Note: "Comparable in prominence" does not require exact equivalence in size, location, or shape.
Rationale: Manufacturers are encouraged to use buttons with unique shapes to enable persons with low vision to make a tactile distinction among them.
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From: Gregg Vanderheiden
Date: Fri, Nov 02 2007 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: new language
This cuts off the bottom part of Karen's post.
Is this meant to replace the top part only (and the bottom part stays the
same?)
Or is this suggesting that the bottom part of Karens post be dropped
entirely? (i.e. the part that related to 4A-2)
The dropped text from Karen's email suggestion is
"For products that are covered under 4-A.2, the user controls needed to
access closed captioning and video description must be comparable in
prominence to the play controls or channel selector."
Gregg
-- ------------------------------
Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
_____
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Karen Peltz
Strauss
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 3:59 PM
To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
Subject: Re: [teitac-video] new language
This is fine with me.
Karen
----- Original Message -----
From: Schomburg, <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > Paul
To: TEITAC <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > Audio/Video Subcommittee
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [teitac-video] new language
Folks: As discussed on yesterday's TEITAC AV call, I have added a suggested
note to amend Karen's language below that I hope is understandable &
acceptable.
Thanks, Paul
----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Karen Peltz
Strauss
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 4:07 PM
To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
Subject: [teitac-video] new language
For products that are covered under 4-A.1, the user controls needed to
access closed captioning and video description must be in at least one
location that is comparable in prominence to the controls needed to control
volume or program selection. At a minimum, this requires placement of such
controls on either the product's physical apparatus or its remote control,
where the ability to control volume or program selection is otherwise
provided on that apparatus or remote control.
For example:
For captioning:
a.. A caption on/off button on a TV remote comparable in prominence to the
volume control on that remote;
b.. Caption controls on the first menu that appear when on-screen menus
are displayed
For video description: A tactile button to turn on video description.
Note: "Comparable in prominence" does not require exact equivalence in
size, location, or shape.
Rationale: Manufacturers are encouraged to use buttons with unique shapes
to enable persons with low vision to make a tactile distinction among them.
_____
From: Karen Peltz Strauss
Date: Fri, Nov 02 2007 5:20 AM
Subject: Re: new language
I was assuming it was only addressing the top part.
Karen
----- Original Message -----
From: Gregg Vanderheiden
To: 'TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee'
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:43 AM
Subject: Re: [teitac-video] new language
This cuts off the bottom part of Karen's post.
Is this meant to replace the top part only (and the bottom part stays the same?)
Or is this suggesting that the bottom part of Karens post be dropped entirely? (i.e. the part that related to 4A-2)
The dropped text from Karen's email suggestion is
"For products that are covered under 4-A.2, the user controls needed to
access closed captioning and video description must be comparable in
prominence to the play controls or channel selector."
Gregg
-- ------------------------------
Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
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From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Karen Peltz Strauss
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 3:59 PM
To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
Subject: Re: [teitac-video] new language
This is fine with me.
Karen
----- Original Message -----
From: Schomburg, Paul
To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [teitac-video] new language
Folks: As discussed on yesterday's TEITAC AV call, I have added a suggested note to amend Karen's language below that I hope is understandable & acceptable.
Thanks, Paul
----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Karen Peltz Strauss
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 4:07 PM
To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
Subject: [teitac-video] new language
For products that are covered under 4-A.1, the user controls needed to access closed captioning and video description must be in at least one location that is comparable in prominence to the controls needed to control volume or program selection. At a minimum, this requires placement of such controls on either the product's physical apparatus or its remote control, where the ability to control volume or program selection is otherwise provided on that apparatus or remote control.
For example:
For captioning:
a.. A caption on/off button on a TV remote comparable in prominence to the volume control on that remote;
b.. Caption controls on the first menu that appear when on-screen menus are displayed
For video description: A tactile button to turn on video description.
Note: "Comparable in prominence" does not require exact equivalence in size, location, or shape.
Rationale: Manufacturers are encouraged to use buttons with unique shapes to enable persons with low vision to make a tactile distinction among them.
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From: Sean Hayes
Date: Fri, Nov 02 2007 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: new language
The discussion was around trying to bring the two positions together. We did not discuss the 4-A.2 part on Wednesday, and I don't think we are near consensus on that.
For the 4A-1 part I think we are pretty close.
Sean Hayes
Incubation Lab
Accessibility Business Unit
Microsoft
Office: +44 118 909 5867,
Mobile: +44 7875 091385
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Schomburg, Paul
Sent: 02 November 2007 14:35
To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
Subject: Re: [teitac-video] new language
Gregg: I added this note on to the text in Karen's post of Wed 10/31/2007 4:07 PM. I didn't delete any portion of the text. But I think my added note should apply to both 4-A.1 and 4-A.2 as both use the "comparable in prominence" phrase.
Thanks, Paul
Paul G. Schomburg, Sr. Manager
Tel: (202) 912-3800 x114; Cell: (202) 550-2230
From: Schomburg, Paul
Date: Fri, Nov 02 2007 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: new language
Gregg: I added this note on to the text in Karen's post of Wed
10/31/2007 4:07 PM. I didn't delete any portion of the text. But I
think my added note should apply to both 4-A.1 and 4-A.2 as both use the
"comparable in prominence" phrase.
Thanks, Paul
Paul G. Schomburg, Sr. Manager
Tel: (202) 912-3800 x114; Cell: (202) 550-2230
From: Andrew Kirkpatrick
Date: Fri, Nov 02 2007 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: new language
I also agree that we are close on the 4-A.1 part, but need to discuss
applicability to 4-A.2
AWK
From: Greg Fields
Date: Fri, Nov 02 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: new language
I would agree with Sean in that Paul's addition was positioned as relative to 4A-1 and not 4A-2.
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Sent: Fri Nov 02 10:38:38 2007
Subject: Re: [teitac-video] new language
The discussion was around trying to bring the two positions together. We did not discuss the 4-A.2 part on Wednesday, and I don’t think we are near consensus on that.
For the 4A-1 part I think we are pretty close.
Sean Hayes
Incubation Lab
Accessibility Business Unit
Microsoft
Office: +44 118 909 5867,
Mobile: +44 7875 091385
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Schomburg, Paul
Sent: 02 November 2007 14:35
To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
Subject: Re: [teitac-video] new language
Gregg: I added this note on to the text in Karen’s post of Wed 10/31/2007 4:07 PM. I didn’t delete any portion of the text. But I think my added note should apply to both 4-A.1 and 4-A.2 as both use the “comparable in prominence” phrase.
Thanks, Paul
Paul G. Schomburg, Sr. Manager
Tel: (202) 912-3800 x114; Cell: (202) 550-2230
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From: Gregg Vanderheiden
Date: Fri, Nov 02 2007 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: new language
Karen's text was in two places in here email.
Only the first chunk was pulled and put into the other emails people posted.
Just so long as we carry the other part forward too.
"For products that are covered under 4-A.2, the user controls needed to
access closed captioning and video description must be comparable in
prominence to the play controls or channel selector."
Gregg
-- ------------------------------
Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
_____
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Schomburg, Paul
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 9:35 AM
To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
Subject: Re: [teitac-video] new language
Gregg: I added this note on to the text in Karen's post of Wed 10/31/2007
4:07 PM. I didn't delete any portion of the text. But I think my added
note should apply to both 4-A.1 and 4-A.2 as both use the "comparable in
prominence" phrase.
Thanks, Paul
Paul G. Schomburg, Sr. Manager
Tel: (202) 912-3800 x114; Cell: (202) 550-2230
_____
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Karen Peltz
Strauss
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 7:18 AM
To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
Subject: Re: [teitac-video] new language
I was assuming it was only addressing the top part.
Karen
----- Original Message -----
From: Gregg Vanderheiden <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
To: 'TEITAC <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > Audio/Video Subcommittee'
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:43 AM
Subject: Re: [teitac-video] new language
This cuts off the bottom part of Karen's post.
Is this meant to replace the top part only (and the bottom part stays the
same?)
Or is this suggesting that the bottom part of Karens post be dropped
entirely? (i.e. the part that related to 4A-2)
The dropped text from Karen's email suggestion is
"For products that are covered under 4-A.2, the user controls needed to
access closed captioning and video description must be comparable in
prominence to the play controls or channel selector."
Gregg
-- ------------------------------
Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
_____
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Karen Peltz
Strauss
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 3:59 PM
To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
Subject: Re: [teitac-video] new language
This is fine with me.
Karen
----- Original Message -----
From: Schomburg, <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > Paul
To: TEITAC <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > Audio/Video Subcommittee
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [teitac-video] new language
Folks: As discussed on yesterday's TEITAC AV call, I have added a suggested
note to amend Karen's language below that I hope is understandable &
acceptable.
Thanks, Paul
----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Karen Peltz
Strauss
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 4:07 PM
To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
Subject: [teitac-video] new language
For products that are covered under 4-A.1, the user controls needed to
access closed captioning and video description must be in at least one
location that is comparable in prominence to the controls needed to control
volume or program selection. At a minimum, this requires placement of such
controls on either the product's physical apparatus or its remote control,
where the ability to control volume or program selection is otherwise
provided on that apparatus or remote control.
For example:
For captioning:
a.. A caption on/off button on a TV remote comparable in prominence to the
volume control on that remote;
b.. Caption controls on the first menu that appear when on-screen menus
are displayed
For video description: A tactile button to turn on video description.
Note: "Comparable in prominence" does not require exact equivalence in
size, location, or shape.
Rationale: Manufacturers are encouraged to use buttons with unique shapes
to enable persons with low vision to make a tactile distinction among them.
_____
From: Dave Singer
Date: Mon, Nov 05 2007 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: new language
At 15:07 -0500 2/11/07, Gregg Vanderheiden wrote:
>Karen's text was in two places in here email.
>
>Only the first chunk was pulled and put into the other emails people posted.
>
> Just so long as we carry the other part forward too.
>
>
>"For products that are covered under 4-A.2, the user controls needed to
>access closed captioning and video description must be comparable in
>prominence to the play controls or channel selector."
>
>
what is the combined, latest proposed text?
>
>Gregg
> -- ------------------------------
>Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
>
>
>
>
>From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of
>Schomburg, Paul
>Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 9:35 AM
>To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
>Subject: Re: [teitac-video] new language
>Gregg: I added this note on to the text in Karen's post of Wed
>10/31/2007 4:07 PM. I didn't delete any portion of the text. But I
>think my added note should apply to both 4-A.1 and 4-A.2 as both use
>the "comparable in prominence" phrase.
>
>Thanks, Paul
>
>Paul G. Schomburg, Sr. Manager
>Tel: (202) 912-3800 x114; Cell: (202) 550-2230
>
>From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Karen
>Peltz Strauss
>Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 7:18 AM
>To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
>Subject: Re: [teitac-video] new language
>
>I was assuming it was only addressing the top part.
>
>Karen
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >Gregg Vanderheiden
>To: <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >'TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee'
>Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:43 AM
>Subject: Re: [teitac-video] new language
>
>This cuts off the bottom part of Karen's post.
>
>Is this meant to replace the top part only (and the bottom part
>stays the same?)
>
>Or is this suggesting that the bottom part of Karens post be dropped
>entirely? (i.e. the part that related to 4A-2)
>
>
>The dropped text from Karen's email suggestion is
>
>
>"For products that are covered under 4-A.2, the user controls needed to
>access closed captioning and video description must be comparable in
>prominence to the play controls or channel selector."
>
>
>
>Gregg
> -- ------------------------------
>Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
>
>From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Karen
>Peltz Strauss
>Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 3:59 PM
>To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
>Subject: Re: [teitac-video] new language
>
>This is fine with me.
>
>Karen
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >Schomburg, Paul
>To: <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
>Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 4:02 PM
>Subject: Re: [teitac-video] new language
>
>Folks: As discussed on yesterday's TEITAC AV call, I have added a
>suggested note to amend Karen's language below that I hope is
>understandable & acceptable.
>
>Thanks, Paul
>----Original Message-----
>From:
><mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>[<mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
>On Behalf Of Karen Peltz Strauss
>Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 4:07 PM
>To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
>Subject: [teitac-video] new language
>
>For products that are covered under 4-A.1, the user controls needed
>to access closed captioning and video description must be in at
>least one location that is comparable in prominence to the controls
>needed to control volume or program selection. At a minimum, this
>requires placement of such controls on either the product's physical
>apparatus or its remote control, where the ability to control volume
>or program selection is otherwise provided on that apparatus or
>remote control.
>
>For example:
>
>For captioning:
> a.. A caption on/off button on a TV remote comparable in
>prominence to the volume control on that remote;
> b.. Caption controls on the first menu that appear when on-screen
>menus are displayed
>
>For video description: A tactile button to turn on video description.
>
>Note: "Comparable in prominence" does not require exact equivalence
>in size, location, or shape.
>Rationale: Manufacturers are encouraged to use buttons with unique
>shapes to enable persons with low vision to make a tactile
>distinction among them.
>
>
>
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