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From: Takemura, Michael (HP Accessibility)
Date: Thu, Nov 01 2007 6:05 PM
Subject: User Controls - Captioning & Video Description

Karen/Paul... can you please clarify: Does this mean 2 buttons are
required ?

>> a.. A caption on/off button on a TV remote comparable in
prominence to the volume control on that remote;
>> b.. Caption controls on the first menu that appear when
on-screen menus are displayed

>> For video description: A tactile button to turn on video
description.

Is the "caption on/off button supposed to be 'tactile' as well ?
Does video description need to be on
the first menu that appear (or "appears") when on-screen menus are
displayed ?

Thanks... Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Karen Peltz
Strauss
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 3:59 PM
To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
Subject: Re: [teitac-video] new language

This is fine with me.

Karen

----- Original Message -----
From: Schomburg, Paul <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
<mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [teitac-video] new language


Folks: As discussed on yesterday's TEITAC AV call, I have added a
suggested note to amend Karen's language below that I hope is
understandable & acceptable.

Thanks, Paul

----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Karen Peltz
Strauss
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 4:07 PM
To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
Subject: [teitac-video] new language


For products that are covered under 4-A.1, the user controls needed to
access closed captioning and video description must be in at least one
location that is comparable in prominence to the controls needed to
control volume or program selection. At a minimum, this requires
placement of such controls on either the product's physical apparatus or
its remote control, where the ability to control volume or program
selection is otherwise provided on that apparatus or remote control.

For example:

For captioning:
a.. A caption on/off button on a TV remote comparable in prominence to
the volume control on that remote;
b.. Caption controls on the first menu that appear when on-screen
menus are displayed

For video description: A tactile button to turn on video description.

Note: "Comparable in prominence" does not require exact equivalence in
size, location, or shape.
Rationale: Manufacturers are encouraged to use buttons with unique
shapes to enable persons with low vision to make a tactile distinction
among them.

From: Schomburg, Paul
Date: Fri, Nov 02 2007 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: User Controls - Captioning & Video Description

Michael: The provision only requires a button "in at least one
location" which means only 1 button is mandatory -- more is optional.
The video description button needs to be tactile to enable persons with
low vision to find it, but it is good design to make all buttons with
some different shapes and feel.

Best regards, Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Takemura,
Michael (HP Accessibility)
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:00 PM
To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
Subject: [teitac-video] User Controls - Captioning & Video Description
Importance: High

Karen/Paul... can you please clarify: Does this mean 2 buttons are
required ?

>> a.. A caption on/off button on a TV remote comparable in
prominence to the volume control on that remote;
>> b.. Caption controls on the first menu that appear when
on-screen menus are displayed

>> For video description: A tactile button to turn on video
description.

Is the "caption on/off button supposed to be 'tactile' as well ?
Does video description need to be on
the first menu that appear (or "appears") when on-screen menus are
displayed ?

Thanks... Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Karen Peltz
Strauss
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 3:59 PM
To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
Subject: Re: [teitac-video] new language

This is fine with me.

Karen

----- Original Message -----
From: Schomburg, Paul <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
<mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [teitac-video] new language


Folks: As discussed on yesterday's TEITAC AV call, I have added a
suggested note to amend Karen's language below that I hope is
understandable & acceptable.

Thanks, Paul

----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Karen Peltz
Strauss
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 4:07 PM
To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
Subject: [teitac-video] new language


For products that are covered under 4-A.1, the user controls needed to
access closed captioning and video description must be in at least one
location that is comparable in prominence to the controls needed to
control volume or program selection. At a minimum, this requires
placement of such controls on either the product's physical apparatus or
its remote control, where the ability to control volume or program
selection is otherwise provided on that apparatus or remote control.

For example:

For captioning:
a.. A caption on/off button on a TV remote comparable in prominence to
the volume control on that remote;
b.. Caption controls on the first menu that appear when on-screen
menus are displayed

For video description: A tactile button to turn on video description.

Note: "Comparable in prominence" does not require exact equivalence in
size, location, or shape.
Rationale: Manufacturers are encouraged to use buttons with unique
shapes to enable persons with low vision to make a tactile distinction
among them.

From: Andrew Kirkpatrick
Date: Fri, Nov 02 2007 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: User Controls - Captioning & Video Description

Paul,
I'm confused. So there is not a button for cc and a button for
description? That is two buttons. If it is only one button, which is
it for?
AWK

> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of
> Schomburg, Paul
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 12:56 PM
> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> Subject: Re: [teitac-video] User Controls - Captioning &
> Video Description
>
> Michael: The provision only requires a button "in at least
> one location" which means only 1 button is mandatory -- more
> is optional.
> The video description button needs to be tactile to enable
> persons with low vision to find it, but it is good design to
> make all buttons with some different shapes and feel.
>
> Best regards, Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of
> Takemura, Michael (HP Accessibility)
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:00 PM
> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> Subject: [teitac-video] User Controls - Captioning & Video Description
> Importance: High
>
> Karen/Paul... can you please clarify: Does this mean 2 buttons are
> required ?
>
> >> a.. A caption on/off button on a TV remote comparable in
> prominence to the volume control on that remote;
> >> b.. Caption controls on the first menu that appear when
> on-screen menus are displayed
>
> >> For video description: A tactile button to turn on video
> description.
>
> Is the "caption on/off button supposed to be 'tactile' as well ?
> Does video description need to be on
> the first menu that appear (or "appears") when on-screen
> menus are displayed ?
>
> Thanks... Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of
> Karen Peltz Strauss
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 3:59 PM
> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> Subject: Re: [teitac-video] new language
>
> This is fine with me.
>
> Karen
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Schomburg, Paul <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 4:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [teitac-video] new language
>
>
> Folks: As discussed on yesterday's TEITAC AV call, I have
> added a suggested note to amend Karen's language below that I
> hope is understandable & acceptable.
>
> Thanks, Paul
>
> ----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of
> Karen Peltz Strauss
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 4:07 PM
> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> Subject: [teitac-video] new language
>
>
> For products that are covered under 4-A.1, the user controls
> needed to access closed captioning and video description must
> be in at least one location that is comparable in prominence
> to the controls needed to control volume or program
> selection. At a minimum, this requires placement of such
> controls on either the product's physical apparatus or its
> remote control, where the ability to control volume or
> program selection is otherwise provided on that apparatus or
> remote control.
>
> For example:
>
> For captioning:
> a.. A caption on/off button on a TV remote comparable in
> prominence to the volume control on that remote;
> b.. Caption controls on the first menu that appear when
> on-screen menus are displayed
>
> For video description: A tactile button to turn on video description.
>
> Note: "Comparable in prominence" does not require exact
> equivalence in size, location, or shape.
> Rationale: Manufacturers are encouraged to use buttons with
> unique shapes to enable persons with low vision to make a
> tactile distinction among them.
>

From: Schomburg, Paul
Date: Fri, Nov 02 2007 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: User Controls - Captioning & Video Description

Andrew: I understand the requirement to be for two separate buttons --
one for CC and one for audio description. The button for audio
description must be tactile since it intended to enable a blind
individual to toggle secondary audio on/off.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Andrew
Kirkpatrick
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 1:42 PM
To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
Subject: Re: [teitac-video] User Controls - Captioning & Video
Description

Paul,
I'm confused. So there is not a button for cc and a button for
description? That is two buttons. If it is only one button, which is
it for?
AWK

> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of
> Schomburg, Paul
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 12:56 PM
> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> Subject: Re: [teitac-video] User Controls - Captioning &
> Video Description
>
> Michael: The provision only requires a button "in at least
> one location" which means only 1 button is mandatory -- more
> is optional.
> The video description button needs to be tactile to enable
> persons with low vision to find it, but it is good design to
> make all buttons with some different shapes and feel.
>
> Best regards, Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of
> Takemura, Michael (HP Accessibility)
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:00 PM
> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> Subject: [teitac-video] User Controls - Captioning & Video Description
> Importance: High
>
> Karen/Paul... can you please clarify: Does this mean 2 buttons are
> required ?
>
> >> a.. A caption on/off button on a TV remote comparable in
> prominence to the volume control on that remote;
> >> b.. Caption controls on the first menu that appear when
> on-screen menus are displayed
>
> >> For video description: A tactile button to turn on video
> description.
>
> Is the "caption on/off button supposed to be 'tactile' as well ?
> Does video description need to be on
> the first menu that appear (or "appears") when on-screen
> menus are displayed ?
>
> Thanks... Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of
> Karen Peltz Strauss
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 3:59 PM
> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> Subject: Re: [teitac-video] new language
>
> This is fine with me.
>
> Karen
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Schomburg, Paul <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 4:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [teitac-video] new language
>
>
> Folks: As discussed on yesterday's TEITAC AV call, I have
> added a suggested note to amend Karen's language below that I
> hope is understandable & acceptable.
>
> Thanks, Paul
>
> ----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of
> Karen Peltz Strauss
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 4:07 PM
> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> Subject: [teitac-video] new language
>
>
> For products that are covered under 4-A.1, the user controls
> needed to access closed captioning and video description must
> be in at least one location that is comparable in prominence
> to the controls needed to control volume or program
> selection. At a minimum, this requires placement of such
> controls on either the product's physical apparatus or its
> remote control, where the ability to control volume or
> program selection is otherwise provided on that apparatus or
> remote control.
>
> For example:
>
> For captioning:
> a.. A caption on/off button on a TV remote comparable in
> prominence to the volume control on that remote;
> b.. Caption controls on the first menu that appear when
> on-screen menus are displayed
>
> For video description: A tactile button to turn on video description.
>
> Note: "Comparable in prominence" does not require exact
> equivalence in size, location, or shape.
> Rationale: Manufacturers are encouraged to use buttons with
> unique shapes to enable persons with low vision to make a
> tactile distinction among them.
>

From: Hoffman, Allen
Date: Fri, Nov 02 2007 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: User Controls - Captioning & Video Description

I think some more clear definition about the supplemental audio button
may be helpful.

SAP is really an analog TV concept, right?
As this is on the way out, I'm sure this is a great idea, but does have
limited scope.

it seems like:
A SAP button would be good for analog TV, functionality built in to
audio menus for non analog TV info, and if possible, built-in to set-top
boxes. I'm sure this sounds circular, but the point is that one button
will need to actually perform multiple functions to "turn on" secondary
audio or video-descriptions, dependent upon the path the information is
taking.



Allen Hoffman -- = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ; v: 202-447-0303

-----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Schomburg,
Paul
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:06 PM
To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
Subject: Re: [teitac-video] User Controls - Captioning & Video
Description

Andrew: I understand the requirement to be for two separate buttons --
one for CC and one for audio description. The button for audio
description must be tactile since it intended to enable a blind
individual to toggle secondary audio on/off.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Andrew
Kirkpatrick
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 1:42 PM
To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
Subject: Re: [teitac-video] User Controls - Captioning & Video
Description

Paul,
I'm confused. So there is not a button for cc and a button for
description? That is two buttons. If it is only one button, which is
it for?
AWK

> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Schomburg,
> Paul
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 12:56 PM
> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> Subject: Re: [teitac-video] User Controls - Captioning & Video
> Description
>
> Michael: The provision only requires a button "in at least one
> location" which means only 1 button is mandatory -- more is optional.
> The video description button needs to be tactile to enable persons
> with low vision to find it, but it is good design to make all buttons
> with some different shapes and feel.
>
> Best regards, Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Takemura,
> Michael (HP Accessibility)
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:00 PM
> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> Subject: [teitac-video] User Controls - Captioning & Video Description
> Importance: High
>
> Karen/Paul... can you please clarify: Does this mean 2 buttons are
> required ?
>
> >> a.. A caption on/off button on a TV remote comparable in
> prominence to the volume control on that remote;
> >> b.. Caption controls on the first menu that appear when
> on-screen menus are displayed
>
> >> For video description: A tactile button to turn on video
> description.
>
> Is the "caption on/off button supposed to be 'tactile' as well ?
> Does video description need to be on
> the first menu that appear (or "appears") when on-screen menus are
> displayed ?
>
> Thanks... Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Karen Peltz

> Strauss
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 3:59 PM
> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> Subject: Re: [teitac-video] new language
>
> This is fine with me.
>
> Karen
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Schomburg, Paul <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 4:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [teitac-video] new language
>
>
> Folks: As discussed on yesterday's TEITAC AV call, I have added a
> suggested note to amend Karen's language below that I hope is
> understandable & acceptable.
>
> Thanks, Paul
>
> ----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Karen Peltz

> Strauss
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 4:07 PM
> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> Subject: [teitac-video] new language
>
>
> For products that are covered under 4-A.1, the user controls needed to

> access closed captioning and video description must be in at least one

> location that is comparable in prominence to the controls needed to
> control volume or program selection. At a minimum, this requires
> placement of such controls on either the product's physical apparatus
> or its remote control, where the ability to control volume or program
> selection is otherwise provided on that apparatus or remote control.
>
> For example:
>
> For captioning:
> a.. A caption on/off button on a TV remote comparable in prominence
> to the volume control on that remote;
> b.. Caption controls on the first menu that appear when on-screen
> menus are displayed
>
> For video description: A tactile button to turn on video description.
>
> Note: "Comparable in prominence" does not require exact equivalence
> in size, location, or shape.
> Rationale: Manufacturers are encouraged to use buttons with unique
> shapes to enable persons with low vision to make a tactile distinction

> among them.
>

From: Schomburg, Paul
Date: Fri, Nov 02 2007 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: User Controls - Captioning & Video Description

Allen: One of the advances that DTV brings is enhanced audio capability
such as 5.1 channel sound. The ATSC standard also supports multiple
audio streams such as different languages or audio description.

Best regards, Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Hoffman,
Allen
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:13 PM
To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
Subject: Re: [teitac-video] User Controls - Captioning & Video
Description

I think some more clear definition about the supplemental audio button
may be helpful.

SAP is really an analog TV concept, right?
As this is on the way out, I'm sure this is a great idea, but does have
limited scope.

it seems like:
A SAP button would be good for analog TV, functionality built in to
audio menus for non analog TV info, and if possible, built-in to set-top
boxes. I'm sure this sounds circular, but the point is that one button
will need to actually perform multiple functions to "turn on" secondary
audio or video-descriptions, dependent upon the path the information is
taking.



Allen Hoffman -- = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ; v: 202-447-0303

-----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Schomburg,
Paul
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:06 PM
To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
Subject: Re: [teitac-video] User Controls - Captioning & Video
Description

Andrew: I understand the requirement to be for two separate buttons --
one for CC and one for audio description. The button for audio
description must be tactile since it intended to enable a blind
individual to toggle secondary audio on/off.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Andrew
Kirkpatrick
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 1:42 PM
To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
Subject: Re: [teitac-video] User Controls - Captioning & Video
Description

Paul,
I'm confused. So there is not a button for cc and a button for
description? That is two buttons. If it is only one button, which is
it for?
AWK

> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Schomburg,
> Paul
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 12:56 PM
> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> Subject: Re: [teitac-video] User Controls - Captioning & Video
> Description
>
> Michael: The provision only requires a button "in at least one
> location" which means only 1 button is mandatory -- more is optional.
> The video description button needs to be tactile to enable persons
> with low vision to find it, but it is good design to make all buttons
> with some different shapes and feel.
>
> Best regards, Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Takemura,
> Michael (HP Accessibility)
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:00 PM
> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> Subject: [teitac-video] User Controls - Captioning & Video Description
> Importance: High
>
> Karen/Paul... can you please clarify: Does this mean 2 buttons are
> required ?
>
> >> a.. A caption on/off button on a TV remote comparable in
> prominence to the volume control on that remote;
> >> b.. Caption controls on the first menu that appear when
> on-screen menus are displayed
>
> >> For video description: A tactile button to turn on video
> description.
>
> Is the "caption on/off button supposed to be 'tactile' as well ?
> Does video description need to be on
> the first menu that appear (or "appears") when on-screen menus are
> displayed ?
>
> Thanks... Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Karen Peltz

> Strauss
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 3:59 PM
> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> Subject: Re: [teitac-video] new language
>
> This is fine with me.
>
> Karen
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Schomburg, Paul <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 4:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [teitac-video] new language
>
>
> Folks: As discussed on yesterday's TEITAC AV call, I have added a
> suggested note to amend Karen's language below that I hope is
> understandable & acceptable.
>
> Thanks, Paul
>
> ----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Karen Peltz

> Strauss
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 4:07 PM
> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> Subject: [teitac-video] new language
>
>
> For products that are covered under 4-A.1, the user controls needed to

> access closed captioning and video description must be in at least one

> location that is comparable in prominence to the controls needed to
> control volume or program selection. At a minimum, this requires
> placement of such controls on either the product's physical apparatus
> or its remote control, where the ability to control volume or program
> selection is otherwise provided on that apparatus or remote control.
>
> For example:
>
> For captioning:
> a.. A caption on/off button on a TV remote comparable in prominence
> to the volume control on that remote;
> b.. Caption controls on the first menu that appear when on-screen
> menus are displayed
>
> For video description: A tactile button to turn on video description.
>
> Note: "Comparable in prominence" does not require exact equivalence
> in size, location, or shape.
> Rationale: Manufacturers are encouraged to use buttons with unique
> shapes to enable persons with low vision to make a tactile distinction

> among them.
>

From: Hoffman, Allen
Date: Mon, Nov 05 2007 2:25 AM
Subject: Re: User Controls - Captioning & Video Description

Understood, but is there an actual way to reliably connect a button
event to a labeled audio stream of description? I don't know if we have
any convention like that yet--seems reasonablly straightforward, but
without the convention of labeling it seems like a difficult thing to
implement.



Allen Hoffman -- = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ; v: 202-447-0303

-----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Schomburg,
Paul
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 4:50 PM
To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
Subject: Re: [teitac-video] User Controls - Captioning & Video
Description

Allen: One of the advances that DTV brings is enhanced audio capability
such as 5.1 channel sound. The ATSC standard also supports multiple
audio streams such as different languages or audio description.

Best regards, Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Hoffman,
Allen
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:13 PM
To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
Subject: Re: [teitac-video] User Controls - Captioning & Video
Description

I think some more clear definition about the supplemental audio button
may be helpful.

SAP is really an analog TV concept, right?
As this is on the way out, I'm sure this is a great idea, but does have
limited scope.

it seems like:
A SAP button would be good for analog TV, functionality built in to
audio menus for non analog TV info, and if possible, built-in to set-top
boxes. I'm sure this sounds circular, but the point is that one button
will need to actually perform multiple functions to "turn on" secondary
audio or video-descriptions, dependent upon the path the information is
taking.



Allen Hoffman -- = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ; v: 202-447-0303

-----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Schomburg,
Paul
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:06 PM
To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
Subject: Re: [teitac-video] User Controls - Captioning & Video
Description

Andrew: I understand the requirement to be for two separate buttons --
one for CC and one for audio description. The button for audio
description must be tactile since it intended to enable a blind
individual to toggle secondary audio on/off.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Andrew
Kirkpatrick
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 1:42 PM
To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
Subject: Re: [teitac-video] User Controls - Captioning & Video
Description

Paul,
I'm confused. So there is not a button for cc and a button for
description? That is two buttons. If it is only one button, which is
it for?
AWK

> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Schomburg,
> Paul
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 12:56 PM
> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> Subject: Re: [teitac-video] User Controls - Captioning & Video
> Description
>
> Michael: The provision only requires a button "in at least one
> location" which means only 1 button is mandatory -- more is optional.
> The video description button needs to be tactile to enable persons
> with low vision to find it, but it is good design to make all buttons
> with some different shapes and feel.
>
> Best regards, Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Takemura,
> Michael (HP Accessibility)
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:00 PM
> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> Subject: [teitac-video] User Controls - Captioning & Video Description
> Importance: High
>
> Karen/Paul... can you please clarify: Does this mean 2 buttons are
> required ?
>
> >> a.. A caption on/off button on a TV remote comparable in
> prominence to the volume control on that remote;
> >> b.. Caption controls on the first menu that appear when
> on-screen menus are displayed
>
> >> For video description: A tactile button to turn on video
> description.
>
> Is the "caption on/off button supposed to be 'tactile' as well ?
> Does video description need to be on
> the first menu that appear (or "appears") when on-screen menus are
> displayed ?
>
> Thanks... Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Karen Peltz

> Strauss
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 3:59 PM
> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> Subject: Re: [teitac-video] new language
>
> This is fine with me.
>
> Karen
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Schomburg, Paul <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 4:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [teitac-video] new language
>
>
> Folks: As discussed on yesterday's TEITAC AV call, I have added a
> suggested note to amend Karen's language below that I hope is
> understandable & acceptable.
>
> Thanks, Paul
>
> ----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Karen Peltz

> Strauss
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 4:07 PM
> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> Subject: [teitac-video] new language
>
>
> For products that are covered under 4-A.1, the user controls needed to

> access closed captioning and video description must be in at least one

> location that is comparable in prominence to the controls needed to
> control volume or program selection. At a minimum, this requires
> placement of such controls on either the product's physical apparatus
> or its remote control, where the ability to control volume or program
> selection is otherwise provided on that apparatus or remote control.
>
> For example:
>
> For captioning:
> a.. A caption on/off button on a TV remote comparable in prominence
> to the volume control on that remote;
> b.. Caption controls on the first menu that appear when on-screen
> menus are displayed
>
> For video description: A tactile button to turn on video description.
>
> Note: "Comparable in prominence" does not require exact equivalence
> in size, location, or shape.
> Rationale: Manufacturers are encouraged to use buttons with unique
> shapes to enable persons with low vision to make a tactile distinction

> among them.
>

From: Dave Singer
Date: Mon, Nov 05 2007 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: User Controls - Captioning & Video Description

At 14:06 -0400 2/11/07, Schomburg, Paul wrote:
>Andrew: I understand the requirement to be for two separate buttons --
>one for CC and one for audio description.

No, the examples talk of two buttons. The requirement is more general.

> The button for audio
>description must be tactile since it intended to enable a blind
>individual to toggle secondary audio on/off.
>
>Paul
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Andrew
>Kirkpatrick
>Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 1:42 PM
>To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
>Subject: Re: [teitac-video] User Controls - Captioning & Video
>Description
>
>Paul,
>I'm confused. So there is not a button for cc and a button for
>description? That is two buttons. If it is only one button, which is
>it for?
>AWK
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of
>> Schomburg, Paul
>> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 12:56 PM
>> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
>> Subject: Re: [teitac-video] User Controls - Captioning &
>> Video Description
>>
>> Michael: The provision only requires a button "in at least
>> one location" which means only 1 button is mandatory -- more
>> is optional.
>> The video description button needs to be tactile to enable
>> persons with low vision to find it, but it is good design to
>> make all buttons with some different shapes and feel.
>>
>> Best regards, Paul
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of
>> Takemura, Michael (HP Accessibility)
>> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:00 PM
>> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
>> Subject: [teitac-video] User Controls - Captioning & Video Description
>> Importance: High
>>
>> Karen/Paul... can you please clarify: Does this mean 2 buttons are
>> required ?
>>
>> >> a.. A caption on/off button on a TV remote comparable in
>> prominence to the volume control on that remote;
>> >> b.. Caption controls on the first menu that appear when
>> on-screen menus are displayed
>>
>> >> For video description: A tactile button to turn on video
>> description.
>>
>> Is the "caption on/off button supposed to be 'tactile' as well ?
>> Does video description need to be on
>> the first menu that appear (or "appears") when on-screen
>> menus are displayed ?
>>
>> Thanks... Michael
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of
>> Karen Peltz Strauss
>> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 3:59 PM
>> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
>> Subject: Re: [teitac-video] new language
>>
>> This is fine with me.
>>
>> Karen
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Schomburg, Paul <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
>> <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 4:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [teitac-video] new language
>>
>>
>> Folks: As discussed on yesterday's TEITAC AV call, I have
>> added a suggested note to amend Karen's language below that I
>> hope is understandable & acceptable.
>>
>> Thanks, Paul
>>
>> ----Original Message-----
>> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of
>> Karen Peltz Strauss
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 4:07 PM
>> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
>> Subject: [teitac-video] new language
>>
>>
>> For products that are covered under 4-A.1, the user controls
>> needed to access closed captioning and video description must
>> be in at least one location that is comparable in prominence
>> to the controls needed to control volume or program
>> selection. At a minimum, this requires placement of such
>> controls on either the product's physical apparatus or its
> > remote control, where the ability to control volume or
>> program selection is otherwise provided on that apparatus or
>> remote control.
>>
>> For example:
>>
>> For captioning:
>> a.. A caption on/off button on a TV remote comparable in
>> prominence to the volume control on that remote;
>> b.. Caption controls on the first menu that appear when
>> on-screen menus are displayed
>>
>> For video description: A tactile button to turn on video description.
>>
>> Note: "Comparable in prominence" does not require exact
>> equivalence in size, location, or shape.
>> Rationale: Manufacturers are encouraged to use buttons with
>> unique shapes to enable persons with low vision to make a
>> tactile distinction among them.
>>

From: Dave Singer
Date: Mon, Nov 05 2007 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: User Controls - Captioning & Video Description

The language seems to be drifting towards an assumption that enabling
accessibility is required to be on a program (content) by program
basis, and that a UI which enabled the user to set 'preferences'
(when a program offers captions, I would like to see them), is less
recognized. I assume that actually people with accessibility needs
would *rather* configure their needs into the system just once, and
after that have it 'do the right thing'. Or am I missing something?
--
David Singer
Apple/QuickTime

From: Gregg Vanderheiden
Date: Mon, Nov 05 2007 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: User Controls - Captioning & Video Description

There is already a provision that says that apps should respect system
settings. So what you suggest (which is a good idea) would be true. But
many cannot find those settings (see Microsoft study) so having the control
on the players is also important.


Gregg
-- ------------------------------
Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Dave Singer
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 11:26 AM
> To: TEITAC Audio/Video Subcommittee
> Subject: Re: [teitac-video] User Controls - Captioning &
> Video Description
>
> The language seems to be drifting towards an assumption that
> enabling accessibility is required to be on a program
> (content) by program basis, and that a UI which enabled the
> user to set 'preferences'
> (when a program offers captions, I would like to see them),
> is less recognized. I assume that actually people with
> accessibility needs would *rather* configure their needs into
> the system just once, and after that have it 'do the right
> thing'. Or am I missing something?
> --
> David Singer
> Apple/QuickTime
>