HW Minutes Apr 06
Hardware SC 04/06/07 Con Call
Agenda
- Welcome
- Topics
- Discussed current content of Section 1194.25 j(1-4)
- Open discussion
- Confirm next meeting
1194.25 j discussion:
Committee discussed current language for sections 1194.25 j.
Key points included:
- This was primarily a requirement that is focused on stand-alone systems.
- It was based on ADAAG requirements at the time on development.
- Recent revisions to the ADAAG need to be evaluated to see if changes were made.
- Feedback from government participants in the meeting is that this is typically used on stand-alone systems such as copiers, ATMs, etc.
- One member brought up servers - discussion suggested that since the buyer could choose how to set up servers in the racks it would be a post-purchase issue.
- Via the listserv - it was clarified that the dimensions provided in this requirement are based on a side reach
Action Item:
Jim Elekes was to contact Access Board for details on new ADAAG requirements. See summary page for comparison of reach requirements. Reach Range Summary
Update on the topic of Flicker Frequency:
Conversations continued with regards to flicker and its characteristics on the General Listserv. See archive for details [New Flash Provision]
This topic is still open for discussion.
April 06 HW Call Transcript Follows:
Event ID: 676987 Event Started: 4/6/2007 10:55:20 AM ET
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Good morning. This is Rob. Who else is on the call.
This is Jim from the Access board.
This is --
I have a bad feeling we don't have captioning.
Tom is on the line.
Tom Brett is on the line.
Well, unfortunately today is not a holiday at Dell, but I found out for many it is good Friday. So it is a holiday in Canada because I've had some challenged is and meeting Randy in getting hold of Randy, but he has been mailed me at his assumption was that it was a holiday here in the states as well. I am sorry this is Rob as Dell, one of the cochairs. Does anyone know, is good Friday a day off in the government world?
This is Nick. We are definitely at work today.
This is Jim. You should tell our staff ever at the Access board. I think they are -- out of 34 there are three in today.
This is neck. You know I wish you guys had sent us a message about that. [ indiscernible ] would have liked to know about it.
As a public member I am obligated. I got an e-mail this morning that there was none of the 508 people in. And they were periodically checking their e-mails during the day. So if I had a question or is she to be raised send them and e-mail and they will get back to me when they check their e-mailo. Which could be Monday morning.
Hint, hint.
This is Rob. We will give them a couple of minutes. I don't want to wait too long. I have a hard stop around the 10:30. to get to another critical meeting. I can leave the line open for those of you for of us I am not quite sure how effective that will be for all of us. We will give another minute to see if anybody else is -- anybody else missed the e-mail about today being a holiday.
This is Jim. Is that construction going on at Dell, Rob? I hear hammering in the background.
No, that is just the beating on a keyboard.
Okay. Either that or it is my head on my desk as I am dealing with the e-mails around other things.
This is Jim again. What was the old saying, we hit ourselves on the head with a hammer because it feels good when we stop.
I will have to remember that one. Okay. Let's go ahead and at least get started here for a few minutes. To recap last week's meeting -- I'm sorry, this is Rob with Dell, co-chair for the hardware subcommittee. We met last week with two primary points of discussion. One having to do with an e-mail suggesting that the 5 pounds Force requirement be reduced to 1 pound force for keyboards. The general consensus of the parties on the call last week was that the 5 pounds is acceptable from the overall control perspective in the sense that you have to allow some possibility for the variety of controls that are out there, but that we would recommend including guidance that for keyboards and keyboard type of controls we point folks to the Isis standards which pretty much specified ports and strong relationships for keyboard users -- for keyboard design. As a starting point for that particular subset of controls. The second point of discussion had to do with flicker frequency. My take on it -- and, Jim, you were on the call. So please correct me if I am wrong, but my take on it was that it had to do with the fact that the way the language in 508 is written is it seems to be more directly applied toward screens, but you may have situations where you have LED serving as signal devices. Does that frequency constraint apply to those as well? And Tom Albin brought up some research that suggested that it might not because there seems to be an area in contrast -- the amount of area that is flickering as well as it's contrast with the environment. Basically the team started the construction on it. The notes have been posted on the wiki in the hardware page. I did ask that every could take a look at that and if you have any comments start something on the list serve.
This is Jim. That is correct. I have basically what you have just stated capitalized here.
Very good. Thank you.
All right. Well, with that in mind [ indiscernible ]was pretty straightforward. Last week I asked that we go ahead take a look at the 1194 D 23J section.
I'm sorry, I was picking the phone up. There were some hammering going on and I don't want to put too much of it through the speaker.
The general guidance is currently the self-contained section. At least from my perspective had to deal with appearance and reach access. And it appears to be heavily driven by a EEAG requirements. And I correct in that assumption?
Yes. This is Jim from the access board. There is one question that I had posed to Dave. Unfortunately he has been on vacation this week. The way I read it, it is not the current 204 -- 2004 ADA. It is the original. And there were some slight nuances, very slight and I wanted Dave to give me the comparison charts so that we could determine whether we need to take those very subtle nuances into consideration. The other thing I had asked him for Whitney Queesenbury and I and another board member, with me not being a board member were serving on the CTC. Ahead some discussion as to free trade as stuffed with voting equipment. And we thought there had been some notes as part ask some types of voting technology with some additional guidance. Unfortunately I did not have that material so, David being the pack rat as he is, I figured he could come up with it because I was going to the site at it was no longer there as far as our notes.
Okay. I guess in the notes I will just make a note that there are potential changes. And we are awaiting clarification from Dave Coposy. And once you get that you will share it with the rest of us.
Yes.
Very good. With that in mind that kind of take a look at this from the 100-foot view. I guess you are the only government person on the call at the moment I will put you a little bit on the spot. What kind of -- what is your take on this particular -- the way this particular requirement is written and how it interacts with your process.
Quickly just to clarify. This is Nick again. You were talking about 23J.
Yes, the products are free standing, not portable and intended to be used in one location and have operable call control to comply with the following.
Okay. Copier machine access is the way I have heard a colleague referred to it. Here we go. I was looking at the wrong one. I was going, this isn't making any sense. The main focus where we see it really, as you just pointed out, is in terms of purchasing things like copiers, kiosks, those types systems which really in the grand scheme of things aren't that -- only represent a three small, you know, a percentage of things purchased. Where, I mean, we see a lot more purchases of things like servers, computers and other more, for lack of a better word, common types of hardware. So it generally when these things are purchased we find that a vendor is usually pretty much able to understand and document that, yes, basically we meet each region requirements.
Okay. All right. Because I can -- I'm sorry, this is Rob from Dell again. I guess that is my take on it as well. The server, it is as much how you guys set it up as it is how we design it. Because in a rack environment how high you place your servers is your decision in terms of how you want to utilize your space. So our typical response is going to be, it all depends upon how the end user puts it together. It is something that I know we do consider in design of other things. I cannot divulge how we design, but I know when we look at things like desktop orders and other devices we try to take these into consideration as best we can as they are currently written. But they can be very quickly broken if someone takes a printer and put it on a 48-inch high credenza.
Exactly.
So is it safe to say with powerful consensus of four of us, five including the captioner, that most books are still pretty comfortable with the way this is written and that if there are any changes from the 2004 AADAG guidelines?
I agree with you. This is Jim.
This is Mike. I would agree with the proviso about myself being an expert on people with mobility impairments that if there are any kind of change in terms of research of what a user should be expected to do then they would be updated accordingly, but in terms of what they say in their understand ability, it is good.
Okay. And what I will do is I will take as an action item to kind of put out via the list server early next week that we started this mission abroad this and I am thinking that this provision makes sense that there is the publicity that there may be taking from the 2004. The next proviso Visa, I put the question out to the people of the list serve, has anybody put scenic but that would impact this from a clearance reach prospective. Does that sound good?
Very good.
Well, Tom has been quiet. Tom, do you have anything to add to this? Otherwise that was the major thing I wanted to get through and I did not expect to get through it in ten minutes. Okay. Well, folks, I am going to take the folks of this given my other fires that I have to put out and perhaps being a the a chromatic justice in my corner. Are there any other comments are suggestions and it wants to cover this morning?
None from here. Nick?
I think we are good.
Well, gentlemen, I think we are good today. I will get the notes posted and that list serve question out there on the Standard and we will reconvene next Friday. Hopefully all these folks we are looking will have a Good Friday off and will be back to join us.
Unfortunately I will not be here because I will be in transit. I am doing a presentation on Thursday in Atlantic City and traveling back to the Carolinas on Friday.
Not sticking around to win the mortgage?
Well, it is a caveat. There is not one of the 13 casinos in Atlantic City that is tightly equipped to allow me to invite.
Okay. Very good. Well, listen folks, you guys have a nice Easter weekend and I think you for your time and will talk to you next week.
Good luck With your presentation.
Thank you to the captioner and, thanks, Tom. I appreciate you setting it up.
