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From: chagnon@pubcom.com
Date: Fri, Jun 24 2022 12:05AM
Subject: Website evaluations
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Looking for guidance on having a website evaluated for accessibility
compliance.

Any suggestions for vendors you recommend, things to consider, or general
advice is welcome!

-Bevi

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<mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >

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Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/ <http://www.pubcom.com/classes>; classes

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Latest blog-newsletter
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From: Paul Rayius
Date: Fri, Jun 24 2022 5:32AM
Subject: Re: Website evaluations
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Hi Bevi,
I'd recommend Accessible360. Here is their website: https://accessible360.com/.
Best,
Paul

Paul Rayius
Vice-President of Training
CommonLook

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Looking for guidance on having a website evaluated for accessibility compliance.

Any suggestions for vendors you recommend, things to consider, or general advice is welcome!

-Bevi

- - -

Bevi Chagnon | Designer, Accessibility Technician | = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >

- - -

PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing

consulting . training . development . design . sec. 508 services

Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/ <http://www.pubcom.com/classes>; classes

- - -

Latest blog-newsletter
<https://mailchi.mp/e694edcdfadd/class-discount-3266574> - Simple Guide to Writing Alt-Text <https://www.pubcom.com/blog/2020_07-20/alt-text_part-1.shtml>

From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Date: Sat, Jun 25 2022 7:39AM
Subject: Re: Website evaluations
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The general strategy is definitely a combination of an automated site
crawler scan (a scan that crawls the site and scans every page) ad a
manual accessiblity assessment of key pages and component
Pages:
The HomePage
Contact Us page
Search page (if there is one)
Landing pages for key categories
One page per categry or template (say articles, blogs)
Components:
Any components used consistently across the site
* Head/footer
* Any navigation menus or modal popups used consistently
* Check for videos and any online media player (make sure those are
accessible and support closed captions and ideally audio description)

The automated scan can be done monthly (it's quick and, depending on
what you choose, can be inexpensive)
Manual assessments of key pages should be done quarterly (or less,
depending on how often your site is updated).

Here are two options, depending on budget

Wav'es Accessibility I'm back service
https://wave.webaim.org/aim/
(site scan + manual assessment of 4 pages for $500).
You may have to supplement with assessment of more pages and components.

If you want the lowest cost DIY possible:

Axe crawler (opensource):
https://github.com/tjscollins/axe-crawler
(open source, runs Axe on every page), + you'd have to conduct manual
reviews yourself or hire someone to do it.

All the big vendors, Deque/Level Access/TPGI offer some form of these
services at various price point.
I've heard good things about Accessibility 360, but I've never used
them directly.



On 6/24/22, Paul Rayius < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Hi Bevi,
> I'd recommend Accessible360. Here is their website:
> https://accessible360.com/.
> Best,
> Paul
>
> Paul Rayius
> Vice-President of Training
> CommonLook
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: [WebAIM] Website evaluations
>
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> click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the
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>
>
> Looking for guidance on having a website evaluated for accessibility
> compliance.
>
> Any suggestions for vendors you recommend, things to consider, or general
> advice is welcome!
>
> -Bevi
>
> - - -
>
> Bevi Chagnon | Designer, Accessibility Technician | = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>
> - - -
>
> PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing
>
> consulting . training . development . design . sec. 508 services
>
> Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/ <http://www.pubcom.com/classes>; classes
>
> - - -
>
> Latest blog-newsletter
> <https://mailchi.mp/e694edcdfadd/class-discount-3266574> - Simple Guide to
> Writing Alt-Text
> <https://www.pubcom.com/blog/2020_07-20/alt-text_part-1.shtml>
>
>
>
> > > http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > >


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From: Peter Shikli
Date: Sat, Jun 25 2022 3:09PM
Subject: Re: Website evaluations
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Bev,

If you're dealing with a website with more than a few hundred pages, I
would find an accessibility service provider with a firm grasp of
WCAG-EM.  That is a structured methodology to select the few pages to
audit instead of paying for all of them to be audited. The cost savings
can be significant.

After you get a sense of the vendor's credentials and experience, insist
on a fixed-price, fixed-schedule bid to help bring you into compliance
with ADA via a perpetual, unconditional warranty. Get an hourly rate to
cover whatever turns out wasn't part of their bid. Don't be shy about
comparing that across domestic vendors.

If you have online documents like PDFs and/or videos, make sure the
vendor has experience with those too, and the proposal covers your
entire online presence.  If you'd like a proposal from us, give me a
call or an email.

Cheers,
Peter Shikli
Access2online Inc.
503-570-6831 - = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Cell: 949-677-3705
FAX: 503-582-8337
www.access2online.com
Prison inmates helping the internet become accessible

From: wolfgang.berndorfer@zweiterblick.at
Date: Tue, Jun 28 2022 11:55AM
Subject: Re: Website evaluations
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Supplementary:
If I am asked before evaluation and generally in my evaluation report I suggest:

1. Care about your code by html validation. Each technician should know about https://validator.w3.org/ an know about solving announced errors or warnings. It is annoying to report the small once one techs.
2. Put away your mouse and then try out to use your navigation and forms. That is not black pedagogy, that is reminding of craft.

Hardly any keyboard and focus failure, audio and video SC can be found with tools or manual testing. So e have to extend responsibility to authors.

Wolfgang


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From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2022 3:39 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Website evaluations

The general strategy is definitely a combination of an automated site crawler scan (a scan that crawls the site and scans every page) ad a manual accessiblity assessment of key pages and component
Pages:
The HomePage
Contact Us page
Search page (if there is one)
Landing pages for key categories
One page per categry or template (say articles, blogs)
Components:
Any components used consistently across the site
* Head/footer
* Any navigation menus or modal popups used consistently
* Check for videos and any online media player (make sure those are accessible and support closed captions and ideally audio description)

The automated scan can be done monthly (it's quick and, depending on what you choose, can be inexpensive) Manual assessments of key pages should be done quarterly (or less, depending on how often your site is updated).

Here are two options, depending on budget

Wav'es Accessibility I'm back service
https://wave.webaim.org/aim/
(site scan + manual assessment of 4 pages for $500).
You may have to supplement with assessment of more pages and components.

If you want the lowest cost DIY possible:

Axe crawler (opensource):
https://github.com/tjscollins/axe-crawler
(open source, runs Axe on every page), + you'd have to conduct manual reviews yourself or hire someone to do it.

All the big vendors, Deque/Level Access/TPGI offer some form of these services at various price point.
I've heard good things about Accessibility 360, but I've never used them directly.



On 6/24/22, Paul Rayius < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Hi Bevi,
> I'd recommend Accessible360. Here is their website:
> https://accessible360.com/.
> Best,
> Paul
>
> Paul Rayius
> Vice-President of Training
> CommonLook
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 2:06 AM
> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: [WebAIM] Website evaluations
>
> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do
> not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender
> and know the content is safe.
>
>
> Looking for guidance on having a website evaluated for accessibility
> compliance.
>
> Any suggestions for vendors you recommend, things to consider, or
> general advice is welcome!
>
> -Bevi
>
> - - -
>
> Bevi Chagnon | Designer, Accessibility Technician |
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>
> - - -
>
> PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing
>
> consulting . training . development . design . sec. 508 services
>
> Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/ <http://www.pubcom.com/classes>;
> classes
>
> - - -
>
> Latest blog-newsletter
> <https://mailchi.mp/e694edcdfadd/class-discount-3266574> - Simple
> Guide to Writing Alt-Text
> <https://www.pubcom.com/blog/2020_07-20/alt-text_part-1.shtml>
>
>
>
> > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >


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From: Steve Green
Date: Tue, Jun 28 2022 12:21PM
Subject: Re: Website evaluations
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Wolfgang, unless I am misunderstanding, you are saying that manual testing cannot find non-conformances with the success criteria for keyboard and focus failure, audio and video. Manual testing can find all non-conformances relating to those success criteria. Why do you think it can't?

Steve Green
Managing Director
Test Partners Ltd


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Sent: 28 June 2022 18:56
To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Website evaluations

Supplementary:
If I am asked before evaluation and generally in my evaluation report I suggest:

1. Care about your code by html validation. Each technician should know about https://validator.w3.org/ an know about solving announced errors or warnings. It is annoying to report the small once one techs.
2. Put away your mouse and then try out to use your navigation and forms. That is not black pedagogy, that is reminding of craft.

Hardly any keyboard and focus failure, audio and video SC can be found with tools or manual testing. So e have to extend responsibility to authors.

Wolfgang


-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2022 3:39 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Website evaluations

The general strategy is definitely a combination of an automated site crawler scan (a scan that crawls the site and scans every page) ad a manual accessiblity assessment of key pages and component
Pages:
The HomePage
Contact Us page
Search page (if there is one)
Landing pages for key categories
One page per categry or template (say articles, blogs)
Components:
Any components used consistently across the site
* Head/footer
* Any navigation menus or modal popups used consistently
* Check for videos and any online media player (make sure those are accessible and support closed captions and ideally audio description)

The automated scan can be done monthly (it's quick and, depending on what you choose, can be inexpensive) Manual assessments of key pages should be done quarterly (or less, depending on how often your site is updated).

Here are two options, depending on budget

Wav'es Accessibility I'm back service
https://wave.webaim.org/aim/
(site scan + manual assessment of 4 pages for $500).
You may have to supplement with assessment of more pages and components.

If you want the lowest cost DIY possible:

Axe crawler (opensource):
https://github.com/tjscollins/axe-crawler
(open source, runs Axe on every page), + you'd have to conduct manual reviews yourself or hire someone to do it.

All the big vendors, Deque/Level Access/TPGI offer some form of these services at various price point.
I've heard good things about Accessibility 360, but I've never used them directly.



On 6/24/22, Paul Rayius < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Hi Bevi,
> I'd recommend Accessible360. Here is their website:
> https://accessible360.com/.
> Best,
> Paul
>
> Paul Rayius
> Vice-President of Training
> CommonLook
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 2:06 AM
> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: [WebAIM] Website evaluations
>
> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do
> not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender
> and know the content is safe.
>
>
> Looking for guidance on having a website evaluated for accessibility
> compliance.
>
> Any suggestions for vendors you recommend, things to consider, or
> general advice is welcome!
>
> -Bevi
>
> - - -
>
> Bevi Chagnon | Designer, Accessibility Technician |
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>
> - - -
>
> PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing
>
> consulting . training . development . design . sec. 508 services
>
> Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/ <http://www.pubcom.com/classes>;
> classes
>
> - - -
>
> Latest blog-newsletter
> <https://mailchi.mp/e694edcdfadd/class-discount-3266574> - Simple
> Guide to Writing Alt-Text
> <https://www.pubcom.com/blog/2020_07-20/alt-text_part-1.shtml>
>
>
>
> > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >


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From: wolfgang.berndorfer@zweiterblick.at
Date: Wed, Jun 29 2022 8:49AM
Subject: Re: Website evaluations
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Steve, I was not formulating precisely. Sorry! I try to clarify.

What I meant:
It is hard to find EACH keyboard and focus, audio and video failure with tools or by manual testing. So we have to extend responsibility to authors.

Does this make sense to you now?

-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of Steve Green
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2022 8:22 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Website evaluations

Wolfgang, unless I am misunderstanding, you are saying that manual testing cannot find non-conformances with the success criteria for keyboard and focus failure, audio and video. Manual testing can find all non-conformances relating to those success criteria. Why do you think it can't?

Steve Green
Managing Director
Test Partners Ltd


-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Sent: 28 June 2022 18:56
To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Website evaluations

Supplementary:
If I am asked before evaluation and generally in my evaluation report I suggest:

1. Care about your code by html validation. Each technician should know about https://validator.w3.org/ an know about solving announced errors or warnings. It is annoying to report the small once one techs.
2. Put away your mouse and then try out to use your navigation and forms. That is not black pedagogy, that is reminding of craft.

Hardly any keyboard and focus failure, audio and video SC can be found with tools or manual testing. So e have to extend responsibility to authors.

Wolfgang


-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2022 3:39 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Website evaluations

The general strategy is definitely a combination of an automated site crawler scan (a scan that crawls the site and scans every page) ad a manual accessiblity assessment of key pages and component
Pages:
The HomePage
Contact Us page
Search page (if there is one)
Landing pages for key categories
One page per categry or template (say articles, blogs)
Components:
Any components used consistently across the site
* Head/footer
* Any navigation menus or modal popups used consistently
* Check for videos and any online media player (make sure those are accessible and support closed captions and ideally audio description)

The automated scan can be done monthly (it's quick and, depending on what you choose, can be inexpensive) Manual assessments of key pages should be done quarterly (or less, depending on how often your site is updated).

Here are two options, depending on budget

Wav'es Accessibility I'm back service
https://wave.webaim.org/aim/
(site scan + manual assessment of 4 pages for $500).
You may have to supplement with assessment of more pages and components.

If you want the lowest cost DIY possible:

Axe crawler (opensource):
https://github.com/tjscollins/axe-crawler
(open source, runs Axe on every page), + you'd have to conduct manual reviews yourself or hire someone to do it.

All the big vendors, Deque/Level Access/TPGI offer some form of these services at various price point.
I've heard good things about Accessibility 360, but I've never used them directly.



On 6/24/22, Paul Rayius < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Hi Bevi,
> I'd recommend Accessible360. Here is their website:
> https://accessible360.com/.
> Best,
> Paul
>
> Paul Rayius
> Vice-President of Training
> CommonLook
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 2:06 AM
> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: [WebAIM] Website evaluations
>
> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do
> not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender
> and know the content is safe.
>
>
> Looking for guidance on having a website evaluated for accessibility
> compliance.
>
> Any suggestions for vendors you recommend, things to consider, or
> general advice is welcome!
>
> -Bevi
>
> - - -
>
> Bevi Chagnon | Designer, Accessibility Technician |
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>
> - - -
>
> PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing
>
> consulting . training . development . design . sec. 508 services
>
> Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/ <http://www.pubcom.com/classes>;
> classes
>
> - - -
>
> Latest blog-newsletter
> <https://mailchi.mp/e694edcdfadd/class-discount-3266574> - Simple
> Guide to Writing Alt-Text
> <https://www.pubcom.com/blog/2020_07-20/alt-text_part-1.shtml>
>
>
>
> > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >


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