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From: Alice Anderson
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2003 11:50AM
Subject: which campuses offer on-line courses that are accessible to blind or deaf?
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All,
Does anyone know of a list of colleges and universities who were
working on making
on-line courses available to persons who are blind or deaf.
I know that some campuses are ahead of the curve
on this -- if there isn't a list, do you know which campuses are
making strides?
thanks for any info --
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Alice Anderson
Technology Accessibility Program (TAP)
Division of Information Technology (DoIT)
University of Wisconsin-Madison
http://www.doit.wisc.edu/accessibility/
Telephone: 608.262.2129
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From: Wayne Dick
Date: Tue, Aug 19 2003 11:45PM
Subject: Re: which campuses offer on-line courses that are accessible to blind or deaf?
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Dear Alice,
I am the Academic Senate Chair at California State University, Long Beach.
It sounds like we are in a similar level of development as you. We are
currently moving from academic technology a primarily a supplemental tool to
a significant online delivery mode. We have just formed a committee to
develop standards for online course development that promote accessibility.
We will make this policy and enforce it. If you are interested in our
progress, I'll be glad to keep in touch.
Sincerely,
Wayne Dick, Ph.D
Department of Computer Engineering and Computer Science,
Chair Academic Senate,
California State University, Long Beach
PS. I have had low vision since birth. Print accessibility is a subject
near to my heart.
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Subject: which campuses offer on-line courses that are accessible to blind
or deaf?
> All,
> Does anyone know of a list of colleges and universities who were
> working on making
> on-line courses available to persons who are blind or deaf.
>
> I know that some campuses are ahead of the curve
> on this -- if there isn't a list, do you know which campuses are
> making strides?
>
> thanks for any info --
>
>
> --
> ===================================>
> Alice Anderson
> Technology Accessibility Program (TAP)
> Division of Information Technology (DoIT)
> University of Wisconsin-Madison
> http://www.doit.wisc.edu/accessibility/
> Telephone: 608.262.2129
>
> ==================================>
> "Simple things should be simple;
> complex things should be possible."
> Alan Kay
>
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From: Mark Bryant
Date: Wed, Aug 20 2003 10:29AM
Subject: Re: which campuses offer on-line courses that are accessible to blind or deaf?
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Alice,
I think one thing to look at is that many colleges and universities are
using WebCT and Blackboard to provide their online instruction. The last
time I reviewed these products, they were far from accessible.
-mark
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Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: which campuses offer on-line courses that are accessible to
blind or deaf?
> Dear Alice,
>
> I am the Academic Senate Chair at California State University, Long Beach.
> It sounds like we are in a similar level of development as you. We are
> currently moving from academic technology a primarily a supplemental tool
to
> a significant online delivery mode. We have just formed a committee to
> develop standards for online course development that promote
accessibility.
> We will make this policy and enforce it. If you are interested in our
> progress, I'll be glad to keep in touch.
>
> Sincerely,
> Wayne Dick, Ph.D
>
> Department of Computer Engineering and Computer Science,
> Chair Academic Senate,
> California State University, Long Beach
>
>
> PS. I have had low vision since birth. Print accessibility is a subject
> near to my heart.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alice Anderson" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> To: < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:44 AM
> Subject: which campuses offer on-line courses that are accessible to blind
> or deaf?
>
>
> > All,
> > Does anyone know of a list of colleges and universities who were
> > working on making
> > on-line courses available to persons who are blind or deaf.
> >
> > I know that some campuses are ahead of the curve
> > on this -- if there isn't a list, do you know which campuses are
> > making strides?
> >
> > thanks for any info --
> >
> >
> > --
> > ===================================> >
> > Alice Anderson
> > Technology Accessibility Program (TAP)
> > Division of Information Technology (DoIT)
> > University of Wisconsin-Madison
> > http://www.doit.wisc.edu/accessibility/
> > Telephone: 608.262.2129
> >
> > ==================================> >
> > "Simple things should be simple;
> > complex things should be possible."
> > Alan Kay
> >
> >
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From: Christopher Phillips
Date: Wed, Aug 20 2003 6:16PM
Subject: Re: which campuses offer on-line courses that are accessible to blind or deaf?
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Great question Alice, it is good to hear about some other universities
interested in accessibility.
At the University of Massachusetts, the powers that be are primarily
using Prometheus as their course management software and are working to
implement accessibility fixes to the software on their own.
Blackboard has a page dedicated to the accessibility of their product
at:
http://www.blackboard.com/products/access/index.htm
Does anyone out there have experience with version 6 of the Blackboard
Learning System that can comment? It looks like they are working with
some great groups- including WebAIM.
WebCT also has a list discussing the accessibility of their product:
http://www.webct.com/products/viewpage?name=products_accessibility
In addition, here is a page with a great collection of relevant links:
http://tatp.edb.utexas.edu/distance.html
Lastly, I haven't tried it yet, but ATutor claims to be an "Open
Source Web-based Learning Content Management System (LCMS) designed
with accessibility and adaptability in mind." It is available at:
http://www.atutor.ca/
Christopher Phillips
Institute for Community Inclusion
http://www.communityinclusion.org
On Wednesday, Aug 20, 2003, at 12:24 US/Eastern, Mark Bryant wrote:
> Alice,
>
> I think one thing to look at is that many colleges and universities are
> using WebCT and Blackboard to provide their online instruction. The
> last
> time I reviewed these products, they were far from accessible.
>
> -mark
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wayne Dick" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> To: < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:40 AM
> Subject: Re: which campuses offer on-line courses that are accessible
> to
> blind or deaf?
>
>
>> Dear Alice,
>>
>> I am the Academic Senate Chair at California State University, Long
>> Beach.
>> It sounds like we are in a similar level of development as you. We
>> are
>> currently moving from academic technology a primarily a supplemental
>> tool
> to
>> a significant online delivery mode. We have just formed a committee
>> to
>> develop standards for online course development that promote
> accessibility.
>> We will make this policy and enforce it. If you are interested in our
>> progress, I'll be glad to keep in touch.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Wayne Dick, Ph.D
>>
>> Department of Computer Engineering and Computer Science,
>> Chair Academic Senate,
>> California State University, Long Beach
>>
>>
>> PS. I have had low vision since birth. Print accessibility is a
>> subject
>> near to my heart.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Alice Anderson" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>> To: < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:44 AM
>> Subject: which campuses offer on-line courses that are accessible to
>> blind
>> or deaf?
>>
>>
>>> All,
>>> Does anyone know of a list of colleges and universities who were
>>> working on making
>>> on-line courses available to persons who are blind or deaf.
>>>
>>> I know that some campuses are ahead of the curve
From: Wayne Dick
Date: Sun, Nov 02 2003 4:21PM
Subject: Re: which campuses offer on-line courses that are accessible to blind or deaf?
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Call for good ideas.
I am really interested in the state of the art in preparing accessible
mathematics, science and technology. I'm not talking about high school
stuff. Real matricies with rational function entries. Serious special
symbols nested as deep as you want. Anything TEX can produce.
Right now we are trying to get much of our curriculum on line. The liberal
arts are pretty easy to slap up, but mathematics, engineering, chemestry,
physics, statistics etc. are hard to get in accessible format. What we
really need is a system that makes it easier to produce accessible say
MathML than it would be to produce PDF or text with imbedded graphical
renderings of formulas.
On the user side. What kind of voice translators exist for MathML? Also,
are there products that help to resize and reset spacing with the same
flexibility you have in say a word processor?
I can't see how realistic accessible college curriculum can proceed without
this problem being solved.
I would apreciate any help. I'm really interested in software you have used
on know works from someone who has used it to prepare accessible science.
Thanks,
Wayne Dick
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From: jeb
Date: Mon, Nov 03 2003 7:00AM
Subject: Accessible BBS/Discussion group software
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I've been contacted by a consultant that needs to find discussion group
software that is accessible. I know that FirstClass has some degree of
accessibility but thus far has fallen short of full accessibility.
I see that Accessify.com is using phpBB for its forum, but the webmaster
there notes that he is in the process of making that accessible.
Any suggestions?
John E. Brandt
Augusta, ME 04330
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Date: Mon, Nov 03 2003 10:17PM
Subject: RE: Accessible BBS/Discussion group software
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Jeb, you can modify the templates in phpBB to be accessible in the same way
you would build a website to be accessible.
-chris
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From: Michael D. Roush
Date: Tue, Nov 04 2003 3:54AM
Subject: Re: Accessible BBS/Discussion group software
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> Jeb, you can modify the templates in phpBB to be accessible in the same
way
> you would build a website to be accessible.
...Which sounds easy enough, but the way phpBB is built, it isn't always so
easy to snoop your way through it to find what you are looking for. As far
as I have been able to tell, all the images have alternate text (although
some valiidators complain that the alternate text is the same as the word
right next to the image). The form fields do not have labels, but I think
they all have text preceding them that says what the form field is for.
The best way to do this one, I think, is to install the darn thing and then
run validators-a-plenty on it to see what they find. That's what I did on
the "Forums" section at www.hopewellserrc.org and there has been very little
that I have had to monkey with.
Michael
AccessRamp.org
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From: Jukka K. Korpela
Date: Tue, Nov 04 2003 11:37AM
Subject: Re: which campuses offer on-line courses that are accessible to blind or deaf?
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On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Wayne Dick wrote:
> I am really interested in the state of the art in preparing accessible
> mathematics, science and technology. I'm not talking about high school
> stuff.
The bad news is that presenting mathematical expressions on the Web
suffers from serious difficulties, even if we think about common browsing
situation and "normal" users only, as I have done in my treatise
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/math/
Many of the techiques and tricks that I discuss there imply some
inaccessibilities. Even simple superscripting means problems to speech
browsers.
> What we
> really need is a system that makes it easier to produce accessible say
> MathML than it would be to produce PDF or text with imbedded graphical
> renderings of formulas.
As far as I can, MathML is not a practical option for several reasons.
Using TeX might be of some help - I have even heard of visually impaired
users who would prefer access to raw TeX notations, which are, after all,
accessible to people who can learn the notations.
I think TeX would be the practical option. For the majority, formulas
would be presented as images generated by TeX. Using the TeX source as the
alt text is perhaps the best you can do for accessibility at present, in
the general case.
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