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From: Tim Beadle
Date: Fri, Jun 04 2004 4:01AM
Subject: Accessible popup ads
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Hi All,
I've found lots of references to making popups that are triggered by user
action (e.g. clicking) more accessible.
I have a situation where an already accessible site want to do popup adverts
fired by the body onload event.
Is there any way in which these can be made to be accessible?
TIA,
Tim
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From: Chris Heilmann
Date: Fri, Jun 04 2004 4:07AM
Subject: Re: Accessible popup ads
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> Hi All,
>
> I've found lots of references to making popups that are triggered by user
> action (e.g. clicking) more accessible.
>
> I have a situation where an already accessible site want to do popup
> adverts
> fired by the body onload event.
>
> Is there any way in which these can be made to be accessible?
Well, most of them will be filtered out by popup blockers and firewalls
anyway. A new window is always a problem, as for example text browsers
simply don't have them and it is pretty confusing with screen readers,
too.
If the popups are NOT external documents, but could just be images and
links, I'd go for a pop-under instead, which is a div inside the document
that covers the original page until you click it. You could add those to
the end of the document, for non-javascript users and position them via
javascript later (as you cannot hide them via CSS only onclick).
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From: Jukka K. Korpela
Date: Fri, Jun 04 2004 4:32AM
Subject: Re: Accessible popup ads
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On Fri, 4 Jun 2004, tsb wrote:
> I have a situation where an already accessible site want to do popup adverts
> fired by the body onload event.
>
> Is there any way in which these can be made to be accessible?
Why should they be made more accessible? There's much less nuisance when
they can easily be prevented by disabling or filtering out JavaScript,
using a non-JavaScript browser, or disallowing popups using browser
settings. It might be in the advertizer's interests to make them more
accessible (just as it might be in the advertizer's interests to make ad
images have alt texts that perform the advertizing function), but unless
the advertizers become aware of this, why would disrupt the browsing
experience?
On the technical side, it would be easy to make the adds accessible on
JavaScript-disabled browsers: just add a element containing a
normal link to the ad, or the ad itself.
But this would cover just part of the field. For browsers that have
JavaScript enabled but popups disabled, you might try to open a window and
test whether it succeeds. If it fails, you could do document.write() to
insert the ad or a link to it. But please don't tell anyone I gave such
advice.
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From: Cheryl D. Wise
Date: Fri, Jun 04 2004 11:30AM
Subject: Re: Accessible popup ads
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Suggest they reevaluate onload pop-ups?
According to statistics I've seen between 6O & 80% of surfers use some sort
of pop-up blocker (sitepoint.com published something in the last month about
this very issue). When XP Service Pack 2 is released later this year that
number is likely to go up because one the update is installed IE will block
pop-ups by default. Yahoo, MSN, Roadrunner all offer that ability now. I
think EarthLink and other national ISP do as well. Users of Google toolbar
and other third party toolbars offer pop-up blockers as port of their
current package. Many other browsers allow you to block pop- ups natively.
It has already been announced that Microsoft will be pushing this service
pack so strongly they will even allow "pirated" copies to be updated for
security reasons.
Cheryl D. Wise
Certified Professional Web Developer
MS-MVP-FrontPage
www.wiserways.com
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713.353.0139 Office
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From: tsb
I've found lots of references to making popups that are triggered by user
action (e.g. clicking) more accessible.
I have a situation where an already accessible site want to do popup adverts
fired by the body onload event.
Is there any way in which these can be made to be accessible?