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From: Raja Saravanan
Date: Thu, Jun 07 2001 6:51AM
Subject: Table accessibility
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Hi
We are developing a Internet Application that can run on Microsoft Internet
Explorer 5.5. The problem is we have requirement of the tables to be
Editable or readonly with keybaord accesibility. Inorder to achieve all
these functions we are using HTC's (behaviors) which implement HTML tables
at runtime which has all these features inbuilt in them.... I tried using
the IBM Home page reader 3.0 to read the page but it did not read as it
would read a normal HTML table... Can anyone suggest me how can I overcome
this problem....
regards
k.v.rajasaravanan
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From: Andrew Kirkpatrick
Date: Thu, Jun 07 2001 1:13PM
Subject: Re: table accessibility
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Can we see the source, or at least the structure of the tables?
On 6/7/01 8:50 AM, Raja Saravanan ( = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ) wrote:
> Hi
> We are developing a Internet Application that can run on Microsoft Internet
> Explorer 5.5. The problem is we have requirement of the tables to be
> Editable or readonly with keybaord accesibility. Inorder to achieve all
> these functions we are using HTC's (behaviors) which implement HTML tables
> at runtime which has all these features inbuilt in them.... I tried using
> the IBM Home page reader 3.0 to read the page but it did not read as it
> would read a normal HTML table... Can anyone suggest me how can I overcome
> this problem....
>
> regards
> k.v.rajasaravanan
> _________________________________________________________________________
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Andrew Kirkpatrick, Technical Project Coordinator
CPB/WGBH National Center for Accessible Media
125 Western Ave.
Boston, MA 02134
E-mail: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Web site: ncam.wgbh.org
617-300-4420 (direct voice/FAX)
617-300-3400 (main NCAM)
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From: Raja Saravanan
Date: Thu, Jun 07 2001 11:44PM
Subject: Re: Table Accessibility
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Hi
Sorry I will not be able to send the source code of the table..but I can
give you the structure... The table has the same HTML table structure only
with TH and TD... but they are not created statically...but created
dynamically at runtime by using Microsoft JScript and DHTML object model...
For example a script is used to create the table...
function createTable()
{
var oTable = document.createElement("TABLE");
document.body.appendChild(oTable);
oTable.innerHTML =
"<TR><TH>Column1</TH><TH>Column2</TH></TR><TR><TD>Data1</TD><TD>Data2</TD></TR>";
}
This is just a sample to give you a idea how the table is being created...
Can this be made accesible by the screen reader...
thanks
rajasaran
>From: Andrew Kirkpatrick < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>Reply-To: WebAIM accessibility forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>To: WebAIM accessibility forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>Subject: Re: Table Accesibility
>Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 15:12:22 -0400
>
>Can we see the source, or at least the structure of the tables?
>
>On 6/7/01 8:50 AM, Raja Saravanan ( = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ) wrote:
>
> > Hi
> > We are developing a Internet Application that can run on Microsoft
>Internet
> > Explorer 5.5. The problem is we have requirement of the tables to be
> > Editable or readonly with keybaord accesibility. Inorder to achieve all
> > these functions we are using HTC's (behaviors) which implement HTML
>tables
> > at runtime which has all these features inbuilt in them.... I tried
>using
> > the IBM Home page reader 3.0 to read the page but it did not read as it
> > would read a normal HTML table... Can anyone suggest me how can I
>overcome
> > this problem....
> >
> > regards
> > k.v.rajasaravanan
> >
>_________________________________________________________________________
> > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at
>http://www.hotmail.com.
> >
> >
>
>--
>Andrew Kirkpatrick, Technical Project Coordinator
>CPB/WGBH National Center for Accessible Media
>125 Western Ave.
>Boston, MA 02134
>E-mail: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>Web site: ncam.wgbh.org
>
>617-300-4420 (direct voice/FAX)
>617-300-3400 (main NCAM)
>617-300-2489 (TTY)
>
>
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From: Andrew Kirkpatrick
Date: Fri, Jun 08 2001 6:15AM
Subject: Re: Table Accessibility
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Sure. However, you _will_ run into issues due to the use of client side
scripting. Many screen reader users will turn scripting off. What will
they get then? Generally, creating pages dynamically isn't any less
accessible than static pages -- the dynamically generated source needs to
write the same page, but plugs in different content or modifies the format
based on user input.
Looking at the code you sent, I'd say you might want to investigate what
attributes of table are being left out (summary is one I can think of) and
you might want to check out the caption tag and the scope and axis
attributes for table cells.
AWK
On 6/8/01 1:43 AM, Raja Saravanan ( = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ) wrote:
> Hi
> Sorry I will not be able to send the source code of the table..but I can
> give you the structure... The table has the same HTML table structure only
> with TH and TD... but they are not created statically...but created
> dynamically at runtime by using Microsoft JScript and DHTML object model...
>
> For example a script is used to create the table...
>
> function createTable()
> {
> var oTable = document.createElement("TABLE");
> document.body.appendChild(oTable);
> oTable.innerHTML > "<TR><TH>Column1</TH><TH>Column2</TH></TR><TR><TD>Data1</TD><TD>Data2</TD></TR
> >";
> }
>
> This is just a sample to give you a idea how the table is being created...
>
> Can this be made accesible by the screen reader...
>
> thanks
> rajasaran
>
>> From: Andrew Kirkpatrick < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>> Reply-To: WebAIM accessibility forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>> To: WebAIM accessibility forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>> Subject: Re: Table Accesibility
>> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 15:12:22 -0400
>>
>> Can we see the source, or at least the structure of the tables?
>>
>> On 6/7/01 8:50 AM, Raja Saravanan ( = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ) wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>> We are developing a Internet Application that can run on Microsoft
>> Internet
>>> Explorer 5.5. The problem is we have requirement of the tables to be
>>> Editable or readonly with keybaord accesibility. Inorder to achieve all
>>> these functions we are using HTC's (behaviors) which implement HTML
>> tables
>>> at runtime which has all these features inbuilt in them.... I tried
>> using
>>> the IBM Home page reader 3.0 to read the page but it did not read as it
>>> would read a normal HTML table... Can anyone suggest me how can I
>> overcome
>>> this problem....
>>>
>>> regards
>>> k.v.rajasaravanan
>>>
>> _________________________________________________________________________
>>> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at
>> http://www.hotmail.com.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Andrew Kirkpatrick, Technical Project Coordinator
>> CPB/WGBH National Center for Accessible Media
>> 125 Western Ave.
>> Boston, MA 02134
>> E-mail: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>> Web site: ncam.wgbh.org
>>
>> 617-300-4420 (direct voice/FAX)
>> 617-300-3400 (main NCAM)
>> 617-300-2489 (TTY)
>>
>>
>
> _________________________________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
>
>
--
Andrew Kirkpatrick, Technical Project Coordinator
CPB/WGBH National Center for Accessible Media
125 Western Ave.
Boston, MA 02134
E-mail: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Web site: ncam.wgbh.org
617-300-4420 (direct voice/FAX)
617-300-3400 (main NCAM)
617-300-2489 (TTY)

From: Raja Saravanan
Date: Sun, Jun 10 2001 10:22PM
Subject: Re: Table Accessibility
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Thanks a lot I will try including the attributes..
Can you suggest me th best suited screen reader... The IBM Home Page Reader
doesn't seem to read attributes like summary etc..)
regards
rajasaran

>From: Andrew Kirkpatrick < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>Reply-To: WebAIM accessibility forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>To: WebAIM accessibility forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>Subject: Re: Table Accesibility
>Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 08:13:55 -0400
>
>Sure. However, you _will_ run into issues due to the use of client side
>scripting. Many screen reader users will turn scripting off. What will
>they get then? Generally, creating pages dynamically isn't any less
>accessible than static pages -- the dynamically generated source needs to
>write the same page, but plugs in different content or modifies the format
>based on user input.
>
>Looking at the code you sent, I'd say you might want to investigate what
>attributes of table are being left out (summary is one I can think of) and
>you might want to check out the caption tag and the scope and axis
>attributes for table cells.
>
>AWK
>
>On 6/8/01 1:43 AM, Raja Saravanan ( = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ) wrote:
>
> > Hi
> > Sorry I will not be able to send the source code of the table..but I can
> > give you the structure... The table has the same HTML table structure
>only
> > with TH and TD... but they are not created statically...but created
> > dynamically at runtime by using Microsoft JScript and DHTML object
>model...
> >
> > For example a script is used to create the table...
> >
> > function createTable()
> > {
> > var oTable = document.createElement("TABLE");
> > document.body.appendChild(oTable);
> > oTable.innerHTML > >
>"<TR><TH>Column1</TH><TH>Column2</TH></TR><TR><TD>Data1</TD><TD>Data2</TD></TR
> > >";
> > }
> >
> > This is just a sample to give you a idea how the table is being
>created...
> >
> > Can this be made accesible by the screen reader...
> >
> > thanks
> > rajasaran
> >
> >> From: Andrew Kirkpatrick < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> >> Reply-To: WebAIM accessibility forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> >> To: WebAIM accessibility forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> >> Subject: Re: Table Accesibility
> >> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 15:12:22 -0400
> >>
> >> Can we see the source, or at least the structure of the tables?
> >>
> >> On 6/7/01 8:50 AM, Raja Saravanan ( = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ) wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi
> >>> We are developing a Internet Application that can run on Microsoft
> >> Internet
> >>> Explorer 5.5. The problem is we have requirement of the tables to be
> >>> Editable or readonly with keybaord accesibility. Inorder to achieve
>all
> >>> these functions we are using HTC's (behaviors) which implement HTML
> >> tables
> >>> at runtime which has all these features inbuilt in them.... I tried
> >> using
> >>> the IBM Home page reader 3.0 to read the page but it did not read as
>it
> >>> would read a normal HTML table... Can anyone suggest me how can I
> >> overcome
> >>> this problem....
> >>>
> >>> regards
> >>> k.v.rajasaravanan
> >>>
> >>
>_________________________________________________________________________
> >>> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at
> >> http://www.hotmail.com.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Andrew Kirkpatrick, Technical Project Coordinator
> >> CPB/WGBH National Center for Accessible Media
> >> 125 Western Ave.
> >> Boston, MA 02134
> >> E-mail: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> >> Web site: ncam.wgbh.org
> >>
> >> 617-300-4420 (direct voice/FAX)
> >> 617-300-3400 (main NCAM)
> >> 617-300-2489 (TTY)
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>_________________________________________________________________________
> > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at
>http://www.hotmail.com.
> >
> >
>
>--
>Andrew Kirkpatrick, Technical Project Coordinator
>CPB/WGBH National Center for Accessible Media
>125 Western Ave.
>Boston, MA 02134
>E-mail: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>Web site: ncam.wgbh.org
>
>617-300-4420 (direct voice/FAX)
>617-300-3400 (main NCAM)
>617-300-2489 (TTY)
>
>
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