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From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Date: Wed, Aug 10 2011 7:15PM
Subject: Location of breadcrum trail on a web page, top, bottom, or somewhere in-between?
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Hello wise ones.

I am doing an accessibility evaluation of a web page.
It has a breadcrum trail on every page (you are here ... main page --
next page -- etc) (where -- represents a new line character).
This is standard, and I haveno problem with it, per se, though
personally I never use them, notunless page titles are extremely
nclear.
The location of this breadcrum trail here is the second to last item
on the page (after about 5 or 6 different tabs). This is consistent
throughout the subpages of the site.
I am wondering, are there best practice guidelines or practical ideas
about whether this is good or not.
My gut instinct, at least, is to think that this trail should be close
to the top, rather than the bottom. For one thing the user will know
it's there (this is a fairly large page, so users may have given up
looking for it if they rae confused), and secondly, if this is the
wrong page, the user needs to be made aware of the fact before he/she
reads through all the content on the page.
Any ideas/counter arguments?
Cheers
-B

From: Tim Harshbarger
Date: Thu, Aug 11 2011 6:30AM
Subject: Re: Location of breadcrum trail on a web page, top, bottom, or somewhere in-between?
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It seems to me that a breadcrumb would be a fairly important navigational feature of a page since it tells the user where he or she is at and provides a way to back track through the structure of the site (at least the parts they have visited.) My thought is that would seem to indicate that the information be fairly prominent on the page. It should be easy for the user to visually spot--though it wouldn't be the most prominent thing on the page.
That causes me to think that the information needs to be both visually and auditorially prominent. Whether you are looking at the page or listening to it, I would think it needs to be something that is easy enough to locate if you want or need the information.

Placing the bread crumb early in the reading order of the page would definitely be one way to give it prominence and make it easy to find. I suppose making it a header might be another way to give it prominence and make it easy to find for people using screen readers. Possibly using landmarks might also do the same.

Thanks,
Tim
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Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 8:16 PM
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Subject: [WebAIM] Location of breadcrum trail on a web page, top, bottom, or somewhere in-between?

Hello wise ones.

I am doing an accessibility evaluation of a web page.
It has a breadcrum trail on every page (you are here ... main page --
next page -- etc) (where -- represents a new line character).
This is standard, and I haveno problem with it, per se, though
personally I never use them, notunless page titles are extremely
nclear.
The location of this breadcrum trail here is the second to last item
on the page (after about 5 or 6 different tabs). This is consistent
throughout the subpages of the site.
I am wondering, are there best practice guidelines or practical ideas
about whether this is good or not.
My gut instinct, at least, is to think that this trail should be close
to the top, rather than the bottom. For one thing the user will know
it's there (this is a fairly large page, so users may have given up
looking for it if they rae confused), and secondly, if this is the
wrong page, the user needs to be made aware of the fact before he/she
reads through all the content on the page.
Any ideas/counter arguments?
Cheers
-B

From: YOUNGV5@nationwide.com
Date: Thu, Aug 11 2011 8:27AM
Subject: Re: Location of breadcrum trail on a web page, top, bottom, or somewhere in-between?
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Tim I agree that breadcrumb navigation is important and I feel the
placement of breadcrumb navigation typically appearing below the heading
is misguided. I'm starting to feature the breadcrumb navigation in my
work more predominantly.

Quickly put together a sample wireframe:

http://webhipster.com/testing/accessibility/breadcrumb/




Vincent Young
User Experience, Web Accessibility Specialist
Nationwide Corporate Marketing
Nationwide®
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From:
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Date:
08/11/2011 08:32 AM
Subject:
Re: [WebAIM] Location of breadcrum trail on a web page, top, bottom, or
somewhere in-between?
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It seems to me that a breadcrumb would be a fairly important navigational
feature of a page since it tells the user where he or she is at and
provides a way to back track through the structure of the site (at least
the parts they have visited.) My thought is that would seem to indicate
that the information be fairly prominent on the page. It should be easy
for the user to visually spot--though it wouldn't be the most prominent
thing on the page.
That causes me to think that the information needs to be both visually and
auditorially prominent. Whether you are looking at the page or listening
to it, I would think it needs to be something that is easy enough to
locate if you want or need the information.

Placing the bread crumb early in the reading order of the page would
definitely be one way to give it prominence and make it easy to find. I
suppose making it a header might be another way to give it prominence and
make it easy to find for people using screen readers. Possibly using
landmarks might also do the same.

Thanks,
Tim
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Gunnarsson
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 8:16 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: [WebAIM] Location of breadcrum trail on a web page, top, bottom,
or somewhere in-between?

Hello wise ones.

I am doing an accessibility evaluation of a web page.
It has a breadcrum trail on every page (you are here ... main page --
next page -- etc) (where -- represents a new line character).
This is standard, and I haveno problem with it, per se, though
personally I never use them, notunless page titles are extremely
nclear.
The location of this breadcrum trail here is the second to last item
on the page (after about 5 or 6 different tabs). This is consistent
throughout the subpages of the site.
I am wondering, are there best practice guidelines or practical ideas
about whether this is good or not.
My gut instinct, at least, is to think that this trail should be close
to the top, rather than the bottom. For one thing the user will know
it's there (this is a fairly large page, so users may have given up
looking for it if they rae confused), and secondly, if this is the
wrong page, the user needs to be made aware of the fact before he/she
reads through all the content on the page.
Any ideas/counter arguments?
Cheers
-B

From: Lucy Greco
Date: Thu, Aug 11 2011 9:36AM
Subject: Re: Location of breadcrum trail on a web page, top, bottom, or somewhere in-between?
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I don't have an opinion about wear on the page it is but I do want to caution that they make sure to have the "you are here" part of the trail not be a link. In so many of these I find that the link to the current page is still left active and this really causes a cognitive block.


Lucy Greco
Assistive Technology Specialist
Disabled Student's Program UC Berkeley
(510) 643-7591
http://attlc.berkeley.edu
http://webaccess.berkeley.edu


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Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 6:16 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: [WebAIM] Location of breadcrum trail on a web page, top, bottom, or somewhere in-between?

Hello wise ones.

I am doing an accessibility evaluation of a web page.
It has a breadcrum trail on every page (you are here ... main page -- next page -- etc) (where -- represents a new line character).
This is standard, and I haveno problem with it, per se, though personally I never use them, notunless page titles are extremely nclear.
The location of this breadcrum trail here is the second to last item on the page (after about 5 or 6 different tabs). This is consistent throughout the subpages of the site.
I am wondering, are there best practice guidelines or practical ideas about whether this is good or not.
My gut instinct, at least, is to think that this trail should be close to the top, rather than the bottom. For one thing the user will know it's there (this is a fairly large page, so users may have given up looking for it if they rae confused), and secondly, if this is the wrong page, the user needs to be made aware of the fact before he/she reads through all the content on the page.
Any ideas/counter arguments?
Cheers
-B

From: YOUNGV5@nationwide.com
Date: Thu, Aug 11 2011 10:42AM
Subject: Re: Location of breadcrum trail on a web page, top, bottom, or somewhere in-between?
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> but I do want to caution that they make sure to have the "you are here"
part of the trail not be a link. In so many of these I find that the link
to the current page is still left active and this really causes a
cognitive block.

Breadcrumb fail!

Vincent Young
User Experience, Web Accessibility Specialist
Nationwide Corporate Marketing
Nationwide®
o | 614·677·5094
c | 614·607·3400
e | = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =




From:
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To:
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Date:
08/11/2011 11:37 AM
Subject:
Re: [WebAIM] Location of breadcrum trail on a web page, top, bottom, or
somewhere in-between?
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I don't have an opinion about wear on the page it is but I do want to
caution that they make sure to have the "you are here" part of the trail
not be a link. In so many of these I find that the link to the current
page is still left active and this really causes a cognitive block.


Lucy Greco
Assistive Technology Specialist
Disabled Student's Program UC Berkeley
(510) 643-7591
http://attlc.berkeley.edu
http://webaccess.berkeley.edu


-----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [
mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Birkir R.
Gunnarsson
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 6:16 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: [WebAIM] Location of breadcrum trail on a web page, top, bottom,
or somewhere in-between?

Hello wise ones.

I am doing an accessibility evaluation of a web page.
It has a breadcrum trail on every page (you are here ... main page -- next
page -- etc) (where -- represents a new line character).
This is standard, and I haveno problem with it, per se, though personally
I never use them, notunless page titles are extremely nclear.
The location of this breadcrum trail here is the second to last item on
the page (after about 5 or 6 different tabs). This is consistent
throughout the subpages of the site.
I am wondering, are there best practice guidelines or practical ideas
about whether this is good or not.
My gut instinct, at least, is to think that this trail should be close to
the top, rather than the bottom. For one thing the user will know it's
there (this is a fairly large page, so users may have given up looking for
it if they rae confused), and secondly, if this is the wrong page, the
user needs to be made aware of the fact before he/she reads through all
the content on the page.
Any ideas/counter arguments?
Cheers
-B