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From: Steffi Rausch
Date: Mon, Jun 17 2002 1:04PM
Subject: RE: RNIB LookLouder Flash MX game
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Can Assistive Techologies remember in a page where they linked from to
another page and go back there when pressing the back button instead of
going back to the top of the page? For example, if I have a long document
page and need to link to a long descriptions page for an image using a
D-link, I want the user to be able to continue on with where they left off
in the original page instead of having to sift through the beginning info
again. I found that IBM Home Page Reader goes right back to the top of the
page which can be frustrating but I've known other browsers like Explorer or
Netscape to remember the placement in the page to go back to. See Example:
http://www.resiusa.org/scea/modules/prs_mod2.htm

Steffi Rausch
RESI, Jr. Web Developer
410-704-2063

"Design is intelligence made visible." - Rick Eiber


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From: Tom Gilder [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:32 PM
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Subject: Re: RNIB LookLouder Flash MX game


On Monday, June 17, 2002, 4:12:19 PM, you wrote:
> We asked Bluewave to create the game for us so we could find out whether
it
> was truly possible create an accessible game using Flash MX
> ....
> For info, Bluewave created the the game, which drew on much of their time
> and expertise, at zero cost to RNIB.

This was good of Bluewave, but in my opinion they didn't do a very good job
of
it really (and the RNIB holding it up as an example of accessibility might
not
be such a good idea).

It's another case of good intentions about accessibility, but poorly
implemented
in the end. Just like, for instance,
http://www.princes-trust.org.uk/accessibility.asp (just *look* at in Lynx -
http://tinyurl.com/en2 - an utter disaster).


Cheers
--
Tom Gilder
http://tom.me.uk/


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From: Holly Marie
Date: Mon, Jun 17 2002 2:07PM
Subject: Linking back after D links [was] Re: RNIB LookLouder Flash MX game
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From: "Steffi Rausch" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
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Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 2:56 PM
Subject: RE: RNIB LookLouder Flash MX game


| Can Assistive Techologies remember in a page where they linked from to
| another page and go back there when pressing the back button instead
of
| going back to the top of the page? For example, if I have a long
document
| page and need to link to a long descriptions page for an image using a
| D-link, I want the user to be able to continue on with where they left
off
| in the original page instead of having to sift through the beginning
info
| again. I found that IBM Home Page Reader goes right back to the top of
the
| page which can be frustrating but I've known other browsers like
Explorer or
| Netscape to remember the placement in the page to go back to. See
Example:
| http://www.resiusa.org/scea/modules/prs_mod2.htm

Maybe you would like to create a named anchor on that sending page ....
and a link back to the named anchor from the long description page?

Example....

[this image is a chart or graph] [D]
(hidden named anchor reference tag and return spot here)
----
code this way... replacing code "[" and "]" with "<" and ">" and this is
for html not xhtml strict... otherwise some added modifications would be
needed.... *note*Long description attribute is added to the image tag
below for browsers who support this...
Toss the anchor tag after the image, so they do not have to hear the
image info all over again ... or get confused and be looping back over
and over? And I try to use names for images and links that make sense.

image code...
[img src="chartb.gif" height="200" width="200" alt="Graph showing
description of browsers supporting accessibility"
longdesc='http://www.somesite.com/chartb_info.html']

then the D link code....
[ [a href='http://www.somesite.com/chartb_info.html' title="page with
explanation of char b"]D[/a]
Then the Anchor tag....
[a name="chart_b"][/a]

ok, now on the somesite.com/chart2_info.html description page... at the
bottom.. after the full description of what the graphs and charts
display....

Link back to article - could be the text or something clear...?

All the excellent text description, then.... links...
[a href="http://www.somesite.com#chart_b] Link back to article[/a]
might as well supply a link to home page too, just in case they are done
with this part of the article?

first part of that link, will take the user to that page, then the
browser should locate the user down to the named anchor inside page
reference.... just after that image, if coded correctly.

This example would be for a page that has the image on the home page...
or index.html page.
if it were on another page, you would need to indicated that page then
the #chart_2

more about anchor tags here...
HTML [linking]
http://www.w3schools.com/html/html_links.asp

XHTML [linking]
you may need to add name="chartb_info" and id="chartb_info" both to the
name link or point of return.
http://www.w3schools.com/xhtml/xhtml_reference.asp

MikoDocs or iDocs guide to html [named anchor linking]
http://www.mikodocs.com/tags/linking/_A_NAME.html

I hope I got that all right...? I had to put single quotes around the
code example links in the tags, because my mail client took them out.

holly







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From: Holly Marie
Date: Mon, Jun 17 2002 2:18PM
Subject: Re: Linking back after D links [was] Re: RNIB LookLouder Flash MX game
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| I found that IBM Home Page Reader goes right back to the top of
| the
| | page which can be frustrating but I've known other browsers like
| Explorer or
| | Netscape to remember the placement in the page to go back to. See
| Example:
| | http://www.resiusa.org/scea/modules/prs_mod2.htm
|

if you tried named linking back to areas of previous page, and it did
not work in one browser or another...
try putting the entire link in...

'http:// ...complete link and directories or pages before ... #spot'

and not simply

'page2.html#spot'

All links back need that hash mark '#' before the name...
all invisible named spots, need only the name, and no spaces in the
name... underscores are ok.

I know it is a bit more typing, but sometimes there are quirky behaviors
in NNolder and other browsers if you had just used part of the link...
and relative [or shorter paths - links] ... many times putting in a full
absolute path [or entire link ] will clear up some misbehaving browser
quirks.

holly



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