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From: Ravindra Kumar Jain
Date: Thu, Jan 16 2014 12:03AM
Subject: Is Accessibility mayonnaise cheese or Bread & Butter ?
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Hi Friends,
I guess pretty much everyone in webaim knows what Accessibility Life
Cycle / Software Development Life Cycle is.,
A common problem I identified , which I am sure a lot of you too must
have faced is that ,
" There is a vast gap between what a client wants and what
accessibility services delivers , in a lot of cases accessibility is
perhaps nowhere in his agenda , unless it is mandatory "
Few days ago I heard a very interesting thought by someone.
"Accessibility Services is not one of the essential services we offer
to our clients , it is not a show stopper. It is like Mayonnaise
cheese as a topping over our bread and butter , we offer to our
clients as a value added service"
To our subject matter experts in webaim , I throw this question
"Is Accessibility Mayonaise cheese or Bread and Butter " ?
I would like to get answers straight from experience people who have
been working in this field.for long time. Let me reframe the above
question .
"How can we convince our clients / managers / designers in a much
better manner as to why they should implement accessibility from
initial stages itself and not superficially " ?
Thanks & Regards,
Ravindra Kumar Jain
Accessibility Engineer
No.02, Second Floor
Sector I, 27th main
HSR Layout
Bangalore - 560 103
Web: www.onyadigital.com
From: Karl Groves
Date: Thu, Jan 16 2014 5:11AM
Subject: Re: Is Accessibility mayonnaise cheese or Bread & Butter ?
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Ravindra,
While I have no opinion on the mayo & cheese vs. bread & butter debate, I
do have a series of blog posts on Selling Accessibility that may be of
interest.
http://www.karlgroves.com/category/selling-accessibility/
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 2:03 AM, Ravindra Kumar Jain
< = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >wrote:
> Hi Friends,
>
> I guess pretty much everyone in webaim knows what Accessibility Life
> Cycle / Software Development Life Cycle is.,
>
> A common problem I identified , which I am sure a lot of you too must
> have faced is that ,
>
> " There is a vast gap between what a client wants and what
> accessibility services delivers , in a lot of cases accessibility is
> perhaps nowhere in his agenda , unless it is mandatory "
>
> Few days ago I heard a very interesting thought by someone.
>
> "Accessibility Services is not one of the essential services we offer
> to our clients , it is not a show stopper. It is like Mayonnaise
> cheese as a topping over our bread and butter , we offer to our
> clients as a value added service"
>
> To our subject matter experts in webaim , I throw this question
>
> "Is Accessibility Mayonaise cheese or Bread and Butter " ?
>
> I would like to get answers straight from experience people who have
> been working in this field.for long time. Let me reframe the above
> question .
>
> "How can we convince our clients / managers / designers in a much
> better manner as to why they should implement accessibility from
> initial stages itself and not superficially " ?
>
> Thanks & Regards,
>
> Ravindra Kumar Jain
>
> Accessibility Engineer
>
> No.02, Second Floor
> Sector I, 27th main
> HSR Layout
> Bangalore - 560 103
>
> Web: www.onyadigital.com
> > > >
--
Karl Groves
www.karlgroves.com
@karlgroves
http://www.linkedin.com/in/karlgroves
Phone: +1 410.541.6829
From: Sailesh Panchang
Date: Thu, Jan 16 2014 7:22AM
Subject: Re: Is Accessibility mayonnaise cheese or Bread & Butter ?
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Ravindra,
Basically people i.e. top management, developers, project managers
need to be educated about accessibility. Here is a start:
WAI Resources from WAI-EOWG at
http://www.w3.org/WAI/Resources/
Specifically:
Developing a Web Accessibility Business Case for Your Organization: Overview
http://www.w3.org/WAI/bcase/Overview
How People with Disabilities Use the Web: Overview
http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/people-use-web/
Thanks and regards,
Sailesh Panchang
On 1/16/14, Karl Groves < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Ravindra,
>
> While I have no opinion on the mayo & cheese vs. bread & butter debate, I
> do have a series of blog posts on Selling Accessibility that may be of
> interest.
>
> http://www.karlgroves.com/category/selling-accessibility/
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 2:03 AM, Ravindra Kumar Jain
> < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >wrote:
>
>> Hi Friends,
>>
>> I guess pretty much everyone in webaim knows what Accessibility Life
>> Cycle / Software Development Life Cycle is.,
>>
>> A common problem I identified , which I am sure a lot of you too must
>> have faced is that ,
>>
>> " There is a vast gap between what a client wants and what
>> accessibility services delivers , in a lot of cases accessibility is
>> perhaps nowhere in his agenda , unless it is mandatory "
>>
>> Few days ago I heard a very interesting thought by someone.
>>
>> "Accessibility Services is not one of the essential services we offer
>> to our clients , it is not a show stopper. It is like Mayonnaise
>> cheese as a topping over our bread and butter , we offer to our
>> clients as a value added service"
>>
>> To our subject matter experts in webaim , I throw this question
>>
>> "Is Accessibility Mayonaise cheese or Bread and Butter " ?
>>
>> I would like to get answers straight from experience people who have
>> been working in this field.for long time. Let me reframe the above
>> question .
>>
>> "How can we convince our clients / managers / designers in a much
>> better manner as to why they should implement accessibility from
>> initial stages itself and not superficially " ?
>>
>> Thanks & Regards,
>>
>> Ravindra Kumar Jain
>>
>> Accessibility Engineer
>>
>> No.02, Second Floor
>> Sector I, 27th main
>> HSR Layout
>> Bangalore - 560 103
>>
>> Web: www.onyadigital.com
>> >> >> >>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Karl Groves
> www.karlgroves.com
> @karlgroves
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/karlgroves
> Phone: +1 410.541.6829
> > > >
From: Lucy Greco
Date: Thu, Jan 16 2014 10:52AM
Subject: Re: Is Accessibility mayonnaise cheese or Bread & Butter ?
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if the company was here i would say to them that's fine until some
one wants to use your service or tool and then sues you because
they can't
On 1/16/14, Sailesh Panchang < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Ravindra,
> Basically people i.e. top management, developers, project managers
> need to be educated about accessibility. Here is a start:
> WAI Resources from WAI-EOWG at
> http://www.w3.org/WAI/Resources/
> Specifically:
>
> Developing a Web Accessibility Business Case for Your Organization:
> Overview
> http://www.w3.org/WAI/bcase/Overview
>
> How People with Disabilities Use the Web: Overview
> http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/people-use-web/
>
> Thanks and regards,
> Sailesh Panchang
>
>
> On 1/16/14, Karl Groves < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>> Ravindra,
>>
>> While I have no opinion on the mayo & cheese vs. bread & butter debate, I
>> do have a series of blog posts on Selling Accessibility that may be of
>> interest.
>>
>> http://www.karlgroves.com/category/selling-accessibility/
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 2:03 AM, Ravindra Kumar Jain
>> < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Friends,
>>>
>>> I guess pretty much everyone in webaim knows what Accessibility Life
>>> Cycle / Software Development Life Cycle is.,
>>>
>>> A common problem I identified , which I am sure a lot of you too must
>>> have faced is that ,
>>>
>>> " There is a vast gap between what a client wants and what
>>> accessibility services delivers , in a lot of cases accessibility is
>>> perhaps nowhere in his agenda , unless it is mandatory "
>>>
>>> Few days ago I heard a very interesting thought by someone.
>>>
>>> "Accessibility Services is not one of the essential services we offer
>>> to our clients , it is not a show stopper. It is like Mayonnaise
>>> cheese as a topping over our bread and butter , we offer to our
>>> clients as a value added service"
>>>
>>> To our subject matter experts in webaim , I throw this question
>>>
>>> "Is Accessibility Mayonaise cheese or Bread and Butter " ?
>>>
>>> I would like to get answers straight from experience people who have
>>> been working in this field.for long time. Let me reframe the above
>>> question .
>>>
>>> "How can we convince our clients / managers / designers in a much
>>> better manner as to why they should implement accessibility from
>>> initial stages itself and not superficially " ?
>>>
>>> Thanks & Regards,
>>>
>>> Ravindra Kumar Jain
>>>
>>> Accessibility Engineer
>>>
>>> No.02, Second Floor
>>> Sector I, 27th main
>>> HSR Layout
>>> Bangalore - 560 103
>>>
>>> Web: www.onyadigital.com
>>> >>> >>> >>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Karl Groves
>> www.karlgroves.com
>> @karlgroves
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/karlgroves
>> Phone: +1 410.541.6829
>> >> >> >>
> > > >
--
Lucia Greco
Web Access Analyst
IST-Campus Technology Services
University of California, Berkeley
(510) 289-6008
http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
From: Joshua Hori
Date: Tue, Jan 21 2014 10:57AM
Subject: Re: Is Accessibility mayonnaise cheese or Bread & Butter ?
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Couldn't you state that having an accessible site means that you save money on SEO consultation? That should ring bells for upper management, especially if they have videos posted to the site. [You mean that we can include the wording within captions to our search results?!?!]
Joshua Hori
Accessible Technology Analyst
University of California, Davis
Student Disability Center
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From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Ravindra Kumar Jain
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:03 PM
To: webaim-forum
Subject: [WebAIM] Is Accessibility mayonnaise cheese or Bread & Butter ?
Hi Friends,
I guess pretty much everyone in webaim knows what Accessibility Life Cycle / Software Development Life Cycle is.,
A common problem I identified , which I am sure a lot of you too must have faced is that ,
" There is a vast gap between what a client wants and what accessibility services delivers , in a lot of cases accessibility is perhaps nowhere in his agenda , unless it is mandatory "
Few days ago I heard a very interesting thought by someone.
"Accessibility Services is not one of the essential services we offer to our clients , it is not a show stopper. It is like Mayonnaise cheese as a topping over our bread and butter , we offer to our clients as a value added service"
To our subject matter experts in webaim , I throw this question
"Is Accessibility Mayonaise cheese or Bread and Butter " ?
I would like to get answers straight from experience people who have been working in this field.for long time. Let me reframe the above question .
"How can we convince our clients / managers / designers in a much better manner as to why they should implement accessibility from initial stages itself and not superficially " ?
Thanks & Regards,
Ravindra Kumar Jain
Accessibility Engineer
No.02, Second Floor
Sector I, 27th main
HSR Layout
Bangalore - 560 103
Web: www.onyadigital.com
From: Don Mauck
Date: Tue, Jan 21 2014 11:55AM
Subject: Re: Is Accessibility mayonnaise cheese or Bread & Butter ?
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I think it is a lot more like bread and butter, especially if upper management needs to consider that "the difference between being proactive and reactive can be about six zeros!
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From: Joshua Hori [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 10:58 AM
To: webaim-forum
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Is Accessibility mayonnaise cheese or Bread & Butter ?
Couldn't you state that having an accessible site means that you save money on SEO consultation? That should ring bells for upper management, especially if they have videos posted to the site. [You mean that we can include the wording within captions to our search results?!?!]
Joshua Hori
Accessible Technology Analyst
University of California, Davis
Student Disability Center
-----Original Message-----
From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Ravindra Kumar Jain
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:03 PM
To: webaim-forum
Subject: [WebAIM] Is Accessibility mayonnaise cheese or Bread & Butter ?
Hi Friends,
I guess pretty much everyone in webaim knows what Accessibility Life Cycle / Software Development Life Cycle is.,
A common problem I identified , which I am sure a lot of you too must have faced is that ,
" There is a vast gap between what a client wants and what accessibility services delivers , in a lot of cases accessibility is perhaps nowhere in his agenda , unless it is mandatory "
Few days ago I heard a very interesting thought by someone.
"Accessibility Services is not one of the essential services we offer to our clients , it is not a show stopper. It is like Mayonnaise cheese as a topping over our bread and butter , we offer to our clients as a value added service"
To our subject matter experts in webaim , I throw this question
"Is Accessibility Mayonaise cheese or Bread and Butter " ?
I would like to get answers straight from experience people who have been working in this field.for long time. Let me reframe the above question .
"How can we convince our clients / managers / designers in a much better manner as to why they should implement accessibility from initial stages itself and not superficially " ?
Thanks & Regards,
Ravindra Kumar Jain
Accessibility Engineer
No.02, Second Floor
Sector I, 27th main
HSR Layout
Bangalore - 560 103
Web: www.onyadigital.com
From: Bryan Garaventa
Date: Tue, Jan 21 2014 12:13PM
Subject: Re: Is Accessibility mayonnaise cheese or Bread & Butter ?
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The following data may be helpful.
UN Enable - Factsheet on Persons with Disabilities
http://www.un.org/disabilities/default.asp?id=18
United Nations Statistics Division - Demographic and Social Statistics
http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/sconcerns/disability/disab2.asp
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From: "Don Mauck" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
To: "WebAIM Discussion List" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Is Accessibility mayonnaise cheese or Bread & Butter ?
>I think it is a lot more like bread and butter, especially if upper
>management needs to consider that "the difference between being proactive
>and reactive can be about six zeros!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Hori [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 10:58 AM
> To: webaim-forum
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Is Accessibility mayonnaise cheese or Bread & Butter
> ?
>
> Couldn't you state that having an accessible site means that you save
> money on SEO consultation? That should ring bells for upper management,
> especially if they have videos posted to the site. [You mean that we can
> include the wording within captions to our search results?!?!]
>
> Joshua Hori
> Accessible Technology Analyst
> University of California, Davis
> Student Disability Center
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Ravindra Kumar
> Jain
> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:03 PM
> To: webaim-forum
> Subject: [WebAIM] Is Accessibility mayonnaise cheese or Bread & Butter ?
>
> Hi Friends,
>
> I guess pretty much everyone in webaim knows what Accessibility Life
> Cycle / Software Development Life Cycle is.,
>
> A common problem I identified , which I am sure a lot of you too must have
> faced is that ,
>
> " There is a vast gap between what a client wants and what accessibility
> services delivers , in a lot of cases accessibility is perhaps nowhere in
> his agenda , unless it is mandatory "
>
> Few days ago I heard a very interesting thought by someone.
>
> "Accessibility Services is not one of the essential services we offer to
> our clients , it is not a show stopper. It is like Mayonnaise cheese as
> a topping over our bread and butter , we offer to our clients as a value
> added service"
>
> To our subject matter experts in webaim , I throw this question
>
> "Is Accessibility Mayonaise cheese or Bread and Butter " ?
>
> I would like to get answers straight from experience people who have been
> working in this field.for long time. Let me reframe the above question .
>
> "How can we convince our clients / managers / designers in a much better
> manner as to why they should implement accessibility from initial stages
> itself and not superficially " ?
>
> Thanks & Regards,
>
> Ravindra Kumar Jain
>
> Accessibility Engineer
>
> No.02, Second Floor
> Sector I, 27th main
> HSR Layout
> Bangalore - 560 103
>
> Web: www.onyadigital.com
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