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From: Jonathan Avila
Date: Mon, Oct 13 2014 8:19PM
Subject: Accessible DOM Inspector
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> Just wondering if anyone had any recommendations on an accessible DOM inspector.

If you use JAWS you may want to check out BX from Doug Lee. It allows inspection of many accessibility APIs and the DOM in IE through JAWS.

http://www.dlee.org/bx/

Jonathan

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From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Isaac, Joel P
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 6:51 AM
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Subject: [WebAIM] Accessible DOM Inspector

Hi all,

Just wondering if anyone had any recommendations on an accessible DOM inspector.

I've been trying to use the built-in inspectors in Chrome and Firefox, but have had mixed results.

Thanks In Advance,

== Joel Isaac


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From: Lucy Greco
Date: Tue, Oct 14 2014 5:12PM
Subject: Re: Accessible DOM Inspector
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hello: can any one point me to information on how to use that tool i tryed
once and found it vary hard to lern. i had no luck lerning it lucy



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University of California, Berkeley
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On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Isaac, Joel P < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
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> Thanks Jonathan!
>
> ==J
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [mailto:
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Jonathan Avila
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 7:20 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessible DOM Inspector
>
> > Just wondering if anyone had any recommendations on an accessible DOM
> inspector.
>
> If you use JAWS you may want to check out BX from Doug Lee. It allows
> inspection of many accessibility APIs and the DOM in IE through JAWS.
>
> http://www.dlee.org/bx/
>
> Jonathan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [mailto:
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Isaac, Joel P
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 6:51 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: [WebAIM] Accessible DOM Inspector
>
> Hi all,
>
> Just wondering if anyone had any recommendations on an accessible DOM
> inspector.
>
> I've been trying to use the built-in inspectors in Chrome and Firefox, but
> have had mixed results.
>
> Thanks In Advance,
>
> == Joel Isaac
>
>
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From: Jonathan Avila
Date: Tue, Oct 14 2014 7:42PM
Subject: Re: Accessible DOM Inspector
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> hello: can any one point me to information on how to use that tool i tried once and found it very hard to learn. i had no luck learning it.

The BX user guide can be found here.
http://www.dlee.org/bx/bxman.htm

You could also reach out to Doug Lee via Skype -- perhaps he can help you directly.

Best Regards,

Jonathan


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From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Lucy Greco
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:12 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessible DOM Inspector

hello: can any one point me to information on how to use that tool i tryed once and found it vary hard to lern. i had no luck lerning it lucy



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Lucia Greco
Web Accessibility Evangelist
IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley
(510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
Follow me on twitter @accessaces


On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Isaac, Joel P < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
wrote:

> Thanks Jonathan!
>
> ==J
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [mailto:
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Jonathan Avila
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 7:20 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessible DOM Inspector
>
> > Just wondering if anyone had any recommendations on an accessible
> > DOM
> inspector.
>
> If you use JAWS you may want to check out BX from Doug Lee. It allows
> inspection of many accessibility APIs and the DOM in IE through JAWS.
>
> http://www.dlee.org/bx/
>
> Jonathan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [mailto:
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Isaac, Joel P
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 6:51 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: [WebAIM] Accessible DOM Inspector
>
> Hi all,
>
> Just wondering if anyone had any recommendations on an accessible DOM
> inspector.
>
> I've been trying to use the built-in inspectors in Chrome and Firefox,
> but have had mixed results.
>
> Thanks In Advance,
>
> == Joel Isaac
>
>
> This transmission may contain information that is privileged,
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> are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect
> any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the
> responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no
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From: Jennifer Sutton
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2014 6:49PM
Subject: Re: Accessible DOM Inspector
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Here's a link to the Dom Inspector for Firefox:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/dom-inspector-6622/

This is for version 2.0.14.

Here's a link to the home page -- seems, as far as i can tell, that
it was last updated in April of 2013:
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/DOM_Inspector

Best,
Jennifer

From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Date: Sun, Oct 26 2014 7:01PM
Subject: Re: Accessible DOM Inspector
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I am a big fan of Firebug, and it works fairly nicely with screen
readers, particularly with Jaws.
The trick is to use Jaws's right click simulator (JawsKey - 9) and
select the "inspect element with Firebug", which should be the first
option in context menu (once Firebug has been installed).
This usually puts you at, or at least very near, the node in Firebug
when you open it (if you do not do this you have to start from the
root element of the document, and it can be hard to locate the current
element that way).
Once you open Firebug using the JawsKey - 9 method, you have to tab
about 3 or 4 times until you get into the html tree.
Once in the html tree you can navigate it using arrow keys (up and
down, arrow right to open child node of the tree, arrow left to close
it). The level of nesting is announced along with the html code, so
you always know the structure and how the tree nodes relate to each
other.
This tree does not show the contents of each node, for that you have
to bring up the context menu (shift-f10) and then select "copy
element" and paste it into notepad or other text editor.
You can even make changes to the html code in notepad and paste it
back in, at the same spot, using the context menu and select 'replace
node'.
You can review the page change in the Firefox window, but once you
refresh or close it, the change goes away.
Another advantage of Firebug is that if you tab a couple of more times
after hitting the html tree you get into the CSS inspector and can see
the CSS class(es) used on that particular node in the dom tree.

Another little tool I use frequently is a script that comes with Jaws,
called Display extended element info.
On desktop this usually has its own pre-defined keystroke
(ctrl-JawsKey-']) but on laptop layout this is not the case. You have
to go into keyboard manager and map the script to a hotkey in your
selected browser(s).
When you areWith the cursor on any element in the virtual buffer you
can press this key and get a list of this element and all its
attributes, as well as its parent elements and their attributes all
the way up to the root.
You do not have to be on a focusable element or anything, and it also
shows the MSAA mapping (though it is inaccurate and BX does a much
better job of that).
I am sure the script is a little dated and could use slight
improvements such as including how elements are labelled and other
important relationships, but it is an incredibly valuable tool for a
basic snapshot overview.

I know NVDA has accessibility tools as well, and I have been wanting
to explore those, but with 40 to 60 hour work weeks and 3 kids I
seldom find the time to sit down and do a lot of the things I really
want to do re accessibility tool improvements and documentation for
blind accessibility professionals.
If anyone wants to join me in a group to jointly explore and document
different accessibility options for blind testers, this is something
that would be very exciting and valuable for our profession.
Thanks
-Birkir



On 10/19/14, Jennifer Sutton < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Here's a link to the Dom Inspector for Firefox:
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/dom-inspector-6622/
>
> This is for version 2.0.14.
>
> Here's a link to the home page -- seems, as far as i can tell, that
> it was last updated in April of 2013:
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/DOM_Inspector
>
> Best,
> Jennifer
>
> > > >


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