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From: Nancy Johnson
Date: Fri, Jan 30 2015 9:57AM
Subject: skip nav ... best practices 2015
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I'm updating HTMLS and css in an existing theme...
Just wondering what are the best practices for skip nav on a responsive site?

Nancy Johnson

From: Stanzel, Susan - FSA, Kansas City, MO
Date: Fri, Jan 30 2015 12:44PM
Subject: Re: skip nav ... best practices 2015
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Nancy,

I have not seen a reply for this question.

This is just my two cents worth. I still find the skip nav useful because of the number of people who don't mark up their sites very well. There are also blind people who don't know how to use regions, as well as screen readers which don't fully implement them correctly.

Susie Stanzel

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I'm updating HTMLS and css in an existing theme...
Just wondering what are the best practices for skip nav on a responsive site?

Nancy Johnson
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From: Wloch, Rob
Date: Fri, Jan 30 2015 2:13PM
Subject: Re: skip nav ... best practices 2015
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Not sure if you've heard of the WET framework but I believe that their skip nav was designed with WCAG 2.0 and responsive design in mind. If you go to the following link you can tab a few times to see the skip nav appear and if using Firefox in responsive design view then you can see how it looks on mobile but since there is no tabbing on touchscreens I wonder how it would show up on an actual device...

http://wet-boew.github.io/v4.0-ci/theme/content-en.html

I hope this helps a bit.

-Rob.

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Sent: January 30, 2015 2:45 PM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] skip nav ... best practices 2015

Nancy,

I have not seen a reply for this question.

This is just my two cents worth. I still find the skip nav useful because of the number of people who don't mark up their sites very well. There are also blind people who don't know how to use regions, as well as screen readers which don't fully implement them correctly.

Susie Stanzel

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From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Nancy Johnson
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 10:57 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: [WebAIM] skip nav ... best practices 2015

I'm updating HTMLS and css in an existing theme...
Just wondering what are the best practices for skip nav on a responsive site?

Nancy Johnson
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From: Lynn Holdsworth
Date: Fri, Jan 30 2015 11:37PM
Subject: Re: skip nav ... best practices 2015
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Rob, the way that link works is counter-productive on an iPhone using iOS 8.1.3. When VO says "Skip to main content", the focus is actually on the Reload button.

Cheers, Lynn



> On 30 Jan 2015, at 21:13, Wloch, Rob < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> Not sure if you've heard of the WET framework but I believe that their skip nav was designed with WCAG 2.0 and responsive design in mind. If you go to the following link you can tab a few times to see the skip nav appear and if using Firefox in responsive design view then you can see how it looks on mobile but since there is no tabbing on touchscreens I wonder how it would show up on an actual device...
>
> http://wet-boew.github.io/v4.0-ci/theme/content-en.html
>
> I hope this helps a bit.
>
> -Rob.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Stanzel, Susan - FSA, Kansas City, MO
> Sent: January 30, 2015 2:45 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] skip nav ... best practices 2015
>
> Nancy,
>
> I have not seen a reply for this question.
>
> This is just my two cents worth. I still find the skip nav useful because of the number of people who don't mark up their sites very well. There are also blind people who don't know how to use regions, as well as screen readers which don't fully implement them correctly.
>
> Susie Stanzel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Nancy Johnson
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 10:57 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: [WebAIM] skip nav ... best practices 2015
>
> I'm updating HTMLS and css in an existing theme...
> Just wondering what are the best practices for skip nav on a responsive site?
>
> Nancy Johnson
> > >
>
>
>
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From: Patrick H. Lauke
Date: Sat, Jan 31 2015 2:41AM
Subject: Re: skip nav ... best practices 2015
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On 30/01/2015 16:57, Nancy Johnson wrote:
> I'm updating HTMLS and css in an existing theme...
> Just wondering what are the best practices for skip nav on a responsive site?

Not saying it's the best approach, but what we do in Bootstrap
http://getbootstrap.com/getting-started/#accessibility seems to work
reasonably well on large and small screens (e.g. iPhone with VoiceOver)
- see for instance http://www.paciellogroup.com

P
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From: Patrick H. Lauke
Date: Sat, Jan 31 2015 2:44AM
Subject: Re: skip nav ... best practices 2015
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On 31/01/2015 06:37, Lynn Holdsworth wrote:
> Rob, the way that link works is counter-productive on an iPhone using iOS 8.1.3. When VO says "Skip to main content", the focus is actually on the Reload button.

Indeed, the WET approach seems to do something funky with
JavaScript...as soon as VoiceOver's focus gets on the skip link, it
seems to be bounced back out of the page, making it unusable...

P

> Cheers, Lynn
>
>
>
>> On 30 Jan 2015, at 21:13, Wloch, Rob < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>>
>> Not sure if you've heard of the WET framework but I believe that their skip nav was designed with WCAG 2.0 and responsive design in mind. If you go to the following link you can tab a few times to see the skip nav appear and if using Firefox in responsive design view then you can see how it looks on mobile but since there is no tabbing on touchscreens I wonder how it would show up on an actual device...
>>
>> http://wet-boew.github.io/v4.0-ci/theme/content-en.html
>>
>> I hope this helps a bit.
>>
>> -Rob.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Stanzel, Susan - FSA, Kansas City, MO
>> Sent: January 30, 2015 2:45 PM
>> To: WebAIM Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] skip nav ... best practices 2015
>>
>> Nancy,
>>
>> I have not seen a reply for this question.
>>
>> This is just my two cents worth. I still find the skip nav useful because of the number of people who don't mark up their sites very well. There are also blind people who don't know how to use regions, as well as screen readers which don't fully implement them correctly.
>>
>> Susie Stanzel
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Nancy Johnson
>> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 10:57 AM
>> To: WebAIM Discussion List
>> Subject: [WebAIM] skip nav ... best practices 2015
>>
>> I'm updating HTMLS and css in an existing theme...
>> Just wondering what are the best practices for skip nav on a responsive site?
>>
>> Nancy Johnson
>> >> >>
>>
>>
>>
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From: Patrick H. Lauke
Date: Sat, Jan 31 2015 2:49AM
Subject: Re: skip nav ... best practices 2015
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On 31/01/2015 09:41, Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
> On 30/01/2015 16:57, Nancy Johnson wrote:
>> I'm updating HTMLS and css in an existing theme...
>> Just wondering what are the best practices for skip nav on a
>> responsive site?
>
> Not saying it's the best approach, but what we do in Bootstrap
> http://getbootstrap.com/getting-started/#accessibility seems to work
> reasonably well on large and small screens (e.g. iPhone with VoiceOver)
> - see for instance http://www.paciellogroup.com

Worth adding, though, that on the Paciello Group site, I also included a
tiny JavaScript patch to make the skip link actually work correctly in
Chrome (desktop) and WebKit/Safari

/* skip link patch for chrome, mainly */
jQuery('#skippy').click(function() {
var selector=jQuery(this).attr('href');
if(selector) {
jQuery(selector).attr('tabindex','-1').focus();
}
});

Incidentally, it seems VO/iOS has developed some bug in the latest
version that, after following the skip link with the above patch,
freezes VO...will have to investigate this further...

P
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Patrick H. Lauke

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From: Cliff Tyllick
Date: Sat, Jan 31 2015 10:31AM
Subject: Re: skip nav ... best practices 2015
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I'm too lazy to check it out on a Saturday morning, but I'll bet the problem is that the skip to main content link is hidden off screen in WET. The behavior you're describing is exactly what happens when the focus moves off screen—the browser loses track of the current location, and focus skips back to the top of the page.

Cliff Tyllick
Texas Department of Assistive and Rehabilitative Services

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>> On Jan 31, 2015, at 3:44 AM, Patrick H. Lauke < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>>
>> On 31/01/2015 06:37, Lynn Holdsworth wrote:
>> Rob, the way that link works is counter-productive on an iPhone using iOS 8.1.3. When VO says "Skip to main content", the focus is actually on the Reload button.
>
> Indeed, the WET approach seems to do something funky with JavaScript...as soon as VoiceOver's focus gets on the skip link, it seems to be bounced back out of the page, making it unusable...
>
> P
>
>> Cheers, Lynn
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 30 Jan 2015, at 21:13, Wloch, Rob < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>>>
>>> Not sure if you've heard of the WET framework but I believe that their skip nav was designed with WCAG 2.0 and responsive design in mind. If you go to the following link you can tab a few times to see the skip nav appear and if using Firefox in responsive design view then you can see how it looks on mobile but since there is no tabbing on touchscreens I wonder how it would show up on an actual device...
>>>
>>> http://wet-boew.github.io/v4.0-ci/theme/content-en.html
>>>
>>> I hope this helps a bit.
>>>
>>> -Rob.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Stanzel, Susan - FSA, Kansas City, MO
>>> Sent: January 30, 2015 2:45 PM
>>> To: WebAIM Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] skip nav ... best practices 2015
>>>
>>> Nancy,
>>>
>>> I have not seen a reply for this question.
>>>
>>> This is just my two cents worth. I still find the skip nav useful because of the number of people who don't mark up their sites very well. There are also blind people who don't know how to use regions, as well as screen readers which don't fully implement them correctly.
>>>
>>> Susie Stanzel
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Nancy Johnson
>>> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 10:57 AM
>>> To: WebAIM Discussion List
>>> Subject: [WebAIM] skip nav ... best practices 2015
>>>
>>> I'm updating HTMLS and css in an existing theme...
>>> Just wondering what are the best practices for skip nav on a responsive site?
>>>
>>> Nancy Johnson
>>> >>> >>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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