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From: Angela French
Date: Tue, May 12 2015 1:43PM
Subject: Need URL of a page that fails a screen reader test miserably
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We are preparing a web writing training session where I work for our web editors. We want to weave in accessibility as it relates to document structure. I'd like to find a page that fails a screen reader test miserably. Does anyone know of any example sites for this? Or perhaps just a really poorly coded web page? I don't have time to create a real bad example page.
Thank you,
Angela French
Internet Specialist
State Board for Community and Technical Colleges
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From: James Nurthen
Date: Tue, May 12 2015 2:21PM
Subject: Re: Need URL of a page that fails a screen reader test miserably
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Can you use the W3C Before and After Pages?
http://www.w3.org/WAI/demos/bad/
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Angela French < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> We are preparing a web writing training session where I work for our web
> editors. We want to weave in accessibility as it relates to document
> structure. I'd like to find a page that fails a screen reader test
> miserably. Does anyone know of any example sites for this? Or perhaps
> just a really poorly coded web page? I don't have time to create a real
> bad example page.
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Angela French
> Internet Specialist
> State Board for Community and Technical Colleges
> 360-704-4316
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> www.checkoutacollege.com<;http://www.checkoutacollege.com>;
> www.sbctc.edu<;http://www.sbctc.edu>;
>
> > > > >
From: Jennifer Sutton
Date: Tue, May 12 2015 3:58PM
Subject: Re: Need URL of a page that fails a screen reader test miserably
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In addition to the WAI's Before and After Demo, and with a focus on
writing for the Web, especially, I'll include a few links, below.
Best,
Jennifer
Accessibility for web writers, part 1 introduction 4 Syllables
http://www.4syllables.com.au/2010/09/accessibility-web-writers-part-1/
[first part of a 17-part series.]
There's a lot of content on this site for Web writers. One more
example is this:
Creating accessible content tips for web writers 4 Syllables
http://www.4syllables.com.au/resources/web-writing-tips/accessible-content/
And then, here's another useful demo for "Before and After":
http://accessibility.oit.ncsu.edu/accessibleu/
Finally, here's this tutorial from WAI on Page Structure that points
out some things over which writers typically have control. First, the Overview:
http://www.w3.org/WAI/tutorials/
And then, the Tutorial on Page Structure:
http://www.w3.org/WAI/tutorials/page-structure/
From: Howard Kramer
Date: Tue, May 12 2015 10:46PM
Subject: Re: Need URL of a page that fails a screen reader test miserably
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The DailyBeast.com is a page I often use as an example of a page with
accessibility issues.
-Howard
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Angela French < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> We are preparing a web writing training session where I work for our web
> editors. We want to weave in accessibility as it relates to document
> structure. I'd like to find a page that fails a screen reader test
> miserably. Does anyone know of any example sites for this? Or perhaps
> just a really poorly coded web page? I don't have time to create a real
> bad example page.
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Angela French
> Internet Specialist
> State Board for Community and Technical Colleges
> 360-704-4316
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> www.checkoutacollege.com<;http://www.checkoutacollege.com>;
> www.sbctc.edu<;http://www.sbctc.edu>;
>
> > > > >
--
Howard Kramer
Conference Coordinator
Accessing Higher Ground
303-492-8672
cell: 720-351-8668
AHEAD Association of Higher Education and Disability
From: _mallory
Date: Wed, May 13 2015 3:07AM
Subject: Re: Need URL of a page that fails a screen reader test miserably
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On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 07:43:33PM +0000, Angela French wrote:
> We are preparing a web writing training session where I work for our web editors. We want to weave in accessibility as it relates to document structure. I'd like to find a page that fails a screen reader test miserably. Does anyone know of any example sites for this? Or perhaps just a really poorly coded web page? I don't have time to create a real bad example page.
It's in Dutch, but http://www.debijenkorf.nl/ is quite gross.
It's got lots and lots of Schema.org stuff, so they care about
Google, but when you do find headings they're kinda random
except they do at least add h1 on inner pages.
They use <header> and <footer> tags, also inside <section>s
so some of that stuff might work okay.
The footer is just a nest of p's. No lists, no headings.
This is probably because an SEO company told them no headings
and to lower or remove headings in sidebars with general things
like product filters-- I'm guessing because one of the largest
SEO companies in the Netherlands told us to remove or lower
headings in all those places, and we were forced to comply.
Unplug your mouse on that website for greater fun. Fun fun.
I think browsing products is doable but I can't say if their
payment section is accessible at all or not.
_mallory
From: Angela French
Date: Wed, May 13 2015 9:08AM
Subject: Re: Need URL of a page that fails a screen reader test miserably
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Jennifer,
These are most awesome resources! Thank you so much; these should really help flush out our training. I'd sure love to find some pages that we can have our students hear read so they can really get the impact.
Angela
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In addition to the WAI's Before and After Demo, and with a focus on writing for the Web, especially, I'll include a few links, below.
Best,
Jennifer
Accessibility for web writers, part 1 introduction 4 Syllables
http://www.4syllables.com.au/2010/09/accessibility-web-writers-part-1/
[first part of a 17-part series.]
There's a lot of content on this site for Web writers. One more example is this:
Creating accessible content tips for web writers 4 Syllables http://www.4syllables.com.au/resources/web-writing-tips/accessible-content/
And then, here's another useful demo for "Before and After":
http://accessibility.oit.ncsu.edu/accessibleu/
Finally, here's this tutorial from WAI on Page Structure that points out some things over which writers typically have control. First, the Overview:
http://www.w3.org/WAI/tutorials/
And then, the Tutorial on Page Structure:
http://www.w3.org/WAI/tutorials/page-structure/
From: Jennifer Sutton
Date: Wed, May 13 2015 10:27AM
Subject: Re: Need URL of a page that fails a screen reader test miserably
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There are tons of videos that demo screen readers, if that's what you mean.
But please, please don't just focus on screen reader users. Good Web
writing is for everyone!
I think we've had this kind of a discussion a few times, re. demos of
people using assistive tech., but here is a link to a collection of
screen reader demos, below my name, much as it's a pet peeve of mine
that screen reader use is overly emphasized in many trainings.
.
Too often, what people come away with is:
"Oo, look at the new shiny screen reader..."
And then, we get sighted people trying to test with screen readers,
when they've never seen a blind person (much less several), use
one? Not a good idea, in my experience.
And I speak as a screen reader user, myself.
And yes, I have ideas about better ways, even in terms of how sighted
people need better/visual/different tools to test ARIA -- anyone got
a line on a big pot of cash?
Stepping off of my soap box, but this is an ongoing trend -- even
here on this list, there are too often questions about how screen
readers speak things when, in my opinion, that's not as important as
a lot of other things that devs and content creators have a lot more
control over.
Jennifer
http://alistairduggin.co.uk/blog/screenreader-resources/
At 08:08 AM 5/13/2015, you wrote:
>Jennifer,
>These are most awesome resources! Thank you so much; these should
>really help flush out our training. I'd sure love to find some
>pages that we can have our students hear read so they can really get
>the impact.
>
>Angela
From: Maraikayar Prem Nawaz
Date: Wed, May 13 2015 11:51PM
Subject: Re: Need URL of a page that fails a screen reader test miserably
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Similar to Before and After Demo from W3C we used this page for a
Accessibility quiz program.
http://mpnkhan.github.io/challenge/site/home.html . May be this helps
On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Jennifer Sutton < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
wrote:
> There are tons of videos that demo screen readers, if that's what you mean.
>
> But please, please don't just focus on screen reader users. Good Web
> writing is for everyone!
>
> I think we've had this kind of a discussion a few times, re. demos of
> people using assistive tech., but here is a link to a collection of screen
> reader demos, below my name, much as it's a pet peeve of mine that screen
> reader use is overly emphasized in many trainings.
> .
>
> Too often, what people come away with is:
> "Oo, look at the new shiny screen reader..."
> And then, we get sighted people trying to test with screen readers, when
> they've never seen a blind person (much less several), use one? Not a good
> idea, in my experience.
> And I speak as a screen reader user, myself.
>
> And yes, I have ideas about better ways, even in terms of how sighted
> people need better/visual/different tools to test ARIA -- anyone got a line
> on a big pot of cash?
>
>
> Stepping off of my soap box, but this is an ongoing trend -- even here on
> this list, there are too often questions about how screen readers speak
> things when, in my opinion, that's not as important as a lot of other
> things that devs and content creators have a lot more control over.
>
> Jennifer
>
> http://alistairduggin.co.uk/blog/screenreader-resources/
>
> At 08:08 AM 5/13/2015, you wrote:
>
>> Jennifer,
>> These are most awesome resources! Thank you so much; these should really
>> help flush out our training. I'd sure love to find some pages that we can
>> have our students hear read so they can really get the impact.
>>
>> Angela
>>
>
> > > > >
From: Cliff Tyllick
Date: Thu, May 14 2015 6:56AM
Subject: Re: Need URL of a page that fails a screen reader test miserably
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Angela, for an example of how poor structure affects everyone, I've become fond of this page:
http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/content-structure-separation-programmatic.html
The first block of text on the page is 1000 words. The average sentence length in that block is 21 words.
Enjoy!
Cliff Tyllick
Texas Department of Assistive and Rehabilitative Services
Sent from my iPhone
Although its spellcheck often saves me, all goofs in sent messages are its fault.
> On May 14, 2015, at 12:51 AM, Maraikayar Prem Nawaz < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> Similar to Before and After Demo from W3C we used this page for a
> Accessibility quiz program.
> http://mpnkhan.github.io/challenge/site/home.html . May be this helps
>
> On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Jennifer Sutton < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> wrote:
>
>> There are tons of videos that demo screen readers, if that's what you mean.
>>
>> But please, please don't just focus on screen reader users. Good Web
>> writing is for everyone!
>>
>> I think we've had this kind of a discussion a few times, re. demos of
>> people using assistive tech., but here is a link to a collection of screen
>> reader demos, below my name, much as it's a pet peeve of mine that screen
>> reader use is overly emphasized in many trainings.
>> .
>>
>> Too often, what people come away with is:
>> "Oo, look at the new shiny screen reader..."
>> And then, we get sighted people trying to test with screen readers, when
>> they've never seen a blind person (much less several), use one? Not a good
>> idea, in my experience.
>> And I speak as a screen reader user, myself.
>>
>> And yes, I have ideas about better ways, even in terms of how sighted
>> people need better/visual/different tools to test ARIA -- anyone got a line
>> on a big pot of cash?
>>
>>
>> Stepping off of my soap box, but this is an ongoing trend -- even here on
>> this list, there are too often questions about how screen readers speak
>> things when, in my opinion, that's not as important as a lot of other
>> things that devs and content creators have a lot more control over.
>>
>> Jennifer
>>
>> http://alistairduggin.co.uk/blog/screenreader-resources/
>>
>> At 08:08 AM 5/13/2015, you wrote:
>>
>>> Jennifer,
>>> These are most awesome resources! Thank you so much; these should really
>>> help flush out our training. I'd sure love to find some pages that we can
>>> have our students hear read so they can really get the impact.
>>>
>>> Angela
>>
>> >> >> >> > > > >