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From: Michael Goddard
Date: Tue, Aug 14 2001 2:10PM
Subject: Question about Screen Readers
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I am curious as to exactly what do the screen readers "read and speak". I
am deaf so I cannot "first-hand" experiment with something like this.
I have downloaded the Lynx browser to see what might a screen reader "read
and say" is this a reliable thing? Do the screen readers just speak the
text or do the screen readers actually speak the HTML coding as well?
I am trying to migrate more into the accessibility field for web design and
development since I believe it is going to explode in the near future.
Currently, I have over 5 years experience working in the field of web
development (strictly HTML coding) have learned many more skills including,
graphics, PHP, MySQL programming.
Anyone know of some online training for this? I know that WebAIM has
courses but I cannot afford something like that. I am hoping there might be
free courses anywhere?
Thank you,
Michael

From: Joel Sanda
Date: Tue, Aug 14 2001 2:32PM
Subject: Re: Question about Screen Readers
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Michael;
Great question! I'm sighted and have hearing and have used JAWS quite a bit
to test the accessibility of our products ... so maybe I can shed some light
on this.
Properly coded web pages will have their content, and some mark-up necessary
for meaning, read aloud by JAWS.
Certain elements, like anchor tags, images, list items, and so on will have
a preface read before them. So the following code:
<a href="http://www.home.com"><img src="home.gif" alt=""></a>
Will be read aloud as "image, anchor tag: home.com". I may have the exact
wording off a little, but that's the crux of it. On the other hand, coding
the same feature this way:
<a href="http://www.home.com" title="Go to Home.com's Home Page"><img
src="home.gif" alt="Picture of a House"></a> can be read as:
"link, Go to Home dot com's Home Page". Image: Picture of a House".
As for Lynx - you're on the right track. I often use Lynx to test sites with
style sheets turned off and to "see" what the blind will "hear", since the
alt attribute is displayed in Lynx.
Let me ask you this, in turn: how often do you encounter multi-media
presentations that have text transcripts or closed captioning?
As for training, have you hit the resources at: www.w3.org/wai? That's free
and there are some really good (the best, IMHO) learning resources there.
Joel
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Goddard [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 2:01 PM
To: WebAIM forum
Subject: Question about Screen Readers.

I am curious as to exactly what do the screen readers "read and speak". I
am deaf so I cannot "first-hand" experiment with something like this.
I have downloaded the Lynx browser to see what might a screen reader "read
and say" is this a reliable thing? Do the screen readers just speak the
text or do the screen readers actually speak the HTML coding as well?
I am trying to migrate more into the accessibility field for web design and
development since I believe it is going to explode in the near future.
Currently, I have over 5 years experience working in the field of web
development (strictly HTML coding) have learned many more skills including,
graphics, PHP, MySQL programming.
Anyone know of some online training for this? I know that WebAIM has
courses but I cannot afford something like that. I am hoping there might be
free courses anywhere?
Thank you,
Michael

From: Michael Goddard
Date: Tue, Aug 14 2001 2:40PM
Subject: Re: Question about Screen Readers
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Joel,
Thank you for shedding some light to this. I believe I am getting an
understanding of how the screen is being read. Is it just the anchor tags
and image tags that are read or are there other tags that I should be aware
of?
I will be extremely honest with you on your question about multi-media
presentations that I have come across that has text transcripts or
captioning. The answer is zero! I have yet to come across any multi-media
oriented material that offers text transcription or captioning.
Thank you for the information
Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joel Sanda" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
To: "'WebAIM forum'" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 4:29 PM
Subject: RE: Question about Screen Readers.

> Michael;
>
> Great question! I'm sighted and have hearing and have used JAWS quite a
bit
> to test the accessibility of our products ... so maybe I can shed some
light
> on this.
>
> Properly coded web pages will have their content, and some mark-up
necessary
> for meaning, read aloud by JAWS.
>
> Certain elements, like anchor tags, images, list items, and so on will
have
> a preface read before them. So the following code:
>
> <a href="http://www.home.com"><img src="home.gif" alt=""></a>
>
> Will be read aloud as "image, anchor tag: home.com". I may have the exact
> wording off a little, but that's the crux of it. On the other hand, coding
> the same feature this way:
>
> <a href="http://www.home.com" title="Go to Home.com's Home Page"><img
> src="home.gif" alt="Picture of a House"></a> can be read as:
>
> "link, Go to Home dot com's Home Page". Image: Picture of a House".
>
> As for Lynx - you're on the right track. I often use Lynx to test sites
with
> style sheets turned off and to "see" what the blind will "hear", since the
> alt attribute is displayed in Lynx.
>
> Let me ask you this, in turn: how often do you encounter multi-media
> presentations that have text transcripts or closed captioning?
>
> As for training, have you hit the resources at: www.w3.org/wai? That's
free
> and there are some really good (the best, IMHO) learning resources there.
>
> Joel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Goddard [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 2:01 PM
> To: WebAIM forum
> Subject: Question about Screen Readers.
>
>
> I am curious as to exactly what do the screen readers "read and speak". I
> am deaf so I cannot "first-hand" experiment with something like this.
>
> I have downloaded the Lynx browser to see what might a screen reader "read
> and say" is this a reliable thing? Do the screen readers just speak the
> text or do the screen readers actually speak the HTML coding as well?
>
> I am trying to migrate more into the accessibility field for web design
and
> development since I believe it is going to explode in the near future.
> Currently, I have over 5 years experience working in the field of web
> development (strictly HTML coding) have learned many more skills
including,
> graphics, PHP, MySQL programming.
>
> Anyone know of some online training for this? I know that WebAIM has
> courses but I cannot afford something like that. I am hoping there might
be
> free courses anywhere?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>

From: John Goldthwaite
Date: Tue, Aug 14 2001 2:44PM
Subject: Re: Question about Screen Readers
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Using Lynx is an approximation of what the blind person hears when using the
screenreader, however you have to remember that speech takes a lot more time
than reading. A better approximation would be to look at Lynx through a
drinking straw so you only see a word at a time. The screenreader has
keyboard commands so that the blind user has control over the reading.
There are several courses on developing accessible web content. The
tutorial on the WebAIM site is a good place to start. We have a course that
is currently on Jim Thatcher's website at
http://www.jimthatcher.com/webcourse1.htm The WAI has a web based course at
http://www.w3.org/WAI/wcag-curric/ and the Federal Information Technology
Access Initative has one at http://www.section508.gov/classes.html


-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]On Behalf Of
Michael Goddard
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 4:01 PM
To: WebAIM forum
Subject: Question about Screen Readers.

I am curious as to exactly what do the screen readers "read and speak". I
am deaf so I cannot "first-hand" experiment with something like this.
I have downloaded the Lynx browser to see what might a screen reader "read
and say" is this a reliable thing? Do the screen readers just speak the
text or do the screen readers actually speak the HTML coding as well?
I am trying to migrate more into the accessibility field for web design and
development since I believe it is going to explode in the near future.
Currently, I have over 5 years experience working in the field of web
development (strictly HTML coding) have learned many more skills including,
graphics, PHP, MySQL programming.
Anyone know of some online training for this? I know that WebAIM has
courses but I cannot afford something like that. I am hoping there might be
free courses anywhere?
Thank you,
Michael

From: Joel Sanda
Date: Tue, Aug 14 2001 2:49PM
Subject: Re: Question about Screen Readers
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Michael;
You know, I've never seen a list of HTML tags read by screen readers. I'm
sure such exist, and I've asked screen reader manufacturers for information
on them, but haven't got anything.
The rule of thumb, though, that I've discovered is this: if the mark-up
makes contextual sense to the content then the content is read.
Consider the <li> element. In an <ul> it reads as 'bullet'. In a <ol> the
actual digit is read. Tables are a bit trickier, and we're still wrestling
with those issues - particularly with large complext tables that rely upon a
solid understanding between the x and y axis of the table.
Wow, I guess I'm not surprised you haven't encountered closed captioning but
it's a little depressing. My company has been working on ways to convert
multi-media to a format with closed captioning for deaf users so our clients
have access to accessible content - it's tough but by no means impossible.
Joel

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Goddard [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 2:34 PM
To: WebAIM forum
Subject: Re: Question about Screen Readers.

Joel,
Thank you for shedding some light to this. I believe I am getting an
understanding of how the screen is being read. Is it just the anchor tags
and image tags that are read or are there other tags that I should be aware
of?
I will be extremely honest with you on your question about multi-media
presentations that I have come across that has text transcripts or
captioning. The answer is zero! I have yet to come across any multi-media
oriented material that offers text transcription or captioning.
Thank you for the information
Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joel Sanda" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
To: "'WebAIM forum'" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 4:29 PM
Subject: RE: Question about Screen Readers.

> Michael;
>
> Great question! I'm sighted and have hearing and have used JAWS quite a
bit
> to test the accessibility of our products ... so maybe I can shed some
light
> on this.
>
> Properly coded web pages will have their content, and some mark-up
necessary
> for meaning, read aloud by JAWS.
>
> Certain elements, like anchor tags, images, list items, and so on will
have
> a preface read before them. So the following code:
>
> <a href="http://www.home.com"><img src="home.gif" alt=""></a>
>
> Will be read aloud as "image, anchor tag: home.com". I may have the exact
> wording off a little, but that's the crux of it. On the other hand, coding
> the same feature this way:
>
> <a href="http://www.home.com" title="Go to Home.com's Home Page"><img
> src="home.gif" alt="Picture of a House"></a> can be read as:
>
> "link, Go to Home dot com's Home Page". Image: Picture of a House".
>
> As for Lynx - you're on the right track. I often use Lynx to test sites
with
> style sheets turned off and to "see" what the blind will "hear", since the
> alt attribute is displayed in Lynx.
>
> Let me ask you this, in turn: how often do you encounter multi-media
> presentations that have text transcripts or closed captioning?
>
> As for training, have you hit the resources at: www.w3.org/wai? That's
free
> and there are some really good (the best, IMHO) learning resources there.
>
> Joel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Goddard [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 2:01 PM
> To: WebAIM forum
> Subject: Question about Screen Readers.
>
>
> I am curious as to exactly what do the screen readers "read and speak". I
> am deaf so I cannot "first-hand" experiment with something like this.
>
> I have downloaded the Lynx browser to see what might a screen reader "read
> and say" is this a reliable thing? Do the screen readers just speak the
> text or do the screen readers actually speak the HTML coding as well?
>
> I am trying to migrate more into the accessibility field for web design
and
> development since I believe it is going to explode in the near future.
> Currently, I have over 5 years experience working in the field of web
> development (strictly HTML coding) have learned many more skills
including,
> graphics, PHP, MySQL programming.
>
> Anyone know of some online training for this? I know that WebAIM has
> courses but I cannot afford something like that. I am hoping there might
be
> free courses anywhere?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>

From: Shirley Mattingly
Date: Tue, Aug 14 2001 2:56PM
Subject: Re: Question about Screen Readers
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Dear Joel:
RE: >My company has been working on ways to convert
multi-media to a format with closed captioning for deaf users so our clients
have access to accessible content - it's tough but by no means impossible.<
Will you let us know when you are successful? :-)
Thanks

>>> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = 08/14/01 04:46PM >>>
Michael;
You know, I've never seen a list of HTML tags read by screen readers. I'm
sure such exist, and I've asked screen reader manufacturers for information
on them, but haven't got anything.
The rule of thumb, though, that I've discovered is this: if the mark-up
makes contextual sense to the content then the content is read.
Consider the <li> element. In an <ul> it reads as 'bullet'. In a <ol> the
actual digit is read. Tables are a bit trickier, and we're still wrestling
with those issues - particularly with large complext tables that rely upon a
solid understanding between the x and y axis of the table.
Wow, I guess I'm not surprised you haven't encountered closed captioning but
it's a little depressing. My company has been working on ways to convert
multi-media to a format with closed captioning for deaf users so our clients
have access to accessible content - it's tough but by no means impossible.
Joel

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Goddard [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 2:34 PM
To: WebAIM forum
Subject: Re: Question about Screen Readers.

Joel,
Thank you for shedding some light to this. I believe I am getting an
understanding of how the screen is being read. Is it just the anchor tags
and image tags that are read or are there other tags that I should be aware
of?
I will be extremely honest with you on your question about multi-media
presentations that I have come across that has text transcripts or
captioning. The answer is zero! I have yet to come across any multi-media
oriented material that offers text transcription or captioning.
Thank you for the information
Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joel Sanda" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
To: "'WebAIM forum'" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 4:29 PM
Subject: RE: Question about Screen Readers.

> Michael;
>
> Great question! I'm sighted and have hearing and have used JAWS quite a
bit
> to test the accessibility of our products ... so maybe I can shed some
light
> on this.
>
> Properly coded web pages will have their content, and some mark-up
necessary
> for meaning, read aloud by JAWS.
>
> Certain elements, like anchor tags, images, list items, and so on will
have
> a preface read before them. So the following code:
>
> <a href="http://www.home.com"><img src="home.gif" alt=""></a>
>
> Will be read aloud as "image, anchor tag: home.com". I may have the exact
> wording off a little, but that's the crux of it. On the other hand, coding
> the same feature this way:
>
> <a href="http://www.home.com" title="Go to Home.com's Home Page"><img
> src="home.gif" alt="Picture of a House"></a> can be read as:
>
> "link, Go to Home dot com's Home Page". Image: Picture of a House".
>
> As for Lynx - you're on the right track. I often use Lynx to test sites
with
> style sheets turned off and to "see" what the blind will "hear", since the
> alt attribute is displayed in Lynx.
>
> Let me ask you this, in turn: how often do you encounter multi-media
> presentations that have text transcripts or closed captioning?
>
> As for training, have you hit the resources at: www.w3.org/wai? That's
free
> and there are some really good (the best, IMHO) learning resources there.
>
> Joel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Goddard [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 2:01 PM
> To: WebAIM forum
> Subject: Question about Screen Readers.
>
>
> I am curious as to exactly what do the screen readers "read and speak". I
> am deaf so I cannot "first-hand" experiment with something like this.
>
> I have downloaded the Lynx browser to see what might a screen reader "read
> and say" is this a reliable thing? Do the screen readers just speak the
> text or do the screen readers actually speak the HTML coding as well?
>
> I am trying to migrate more into the accessibility field for web design
and
> development since I believe it is going to explode in the near future.
> Currently, I have over 5 years experience working in the field of web
> development (strictly HTML coding) have learned many more skills
including,
> graphics, PHP, MySQL programming.
>
> Anyone know of some online training for this? I know that WebAIM has
> courses but I cannot afford something like that. I am hoping there might
be
> free courses anywhere?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>

From: Art Blaser
Date: Tue, Aug 14 2001 3:10PM
Subject: Re: Question about Screen Readers
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JAWS has a free trial download. As with the Lynx download, for me it provided a
limited sense of how a screen reader works, but some sense nonetheless.
Art

From: Prof Norm Coombs
Date: Tue, Aug 14 2001 3:55PM
Subject: Re: Question about screen readers
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EASI has a captioning service. Check out easi.cc and look for captioning
service.
Norman
At 04:52 PM 8/14/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Dear Joel:
>
>RE: >My company has been working on ways to convert
>multi-media to a format with closed captioning for deaf users so our clients
>have access to accessible content - it's tough but by no means impossible.<
>
>Will you let us know when you are successful? :-)
>
>Thanks
>
>
>>>> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = 08/14/01 04:46PM >>>
>Michael;
>
>You know, I've never seen a list of HTML tags read by screen readers. I'm
>sure such exist, and I've asked screen reader manufacturers for information
>on them, but haven't got anything.
>
>The rule of thumb, though, that I've discovered is this: if the mark-up
>makes contextual sense to the content then the content is read.
>
>Consider the <li> element. In an <ul> it reads as 'bullet'. In a <ol> the
>actual digit is read. Tables are a bit trickier, and we're still wrestling
>with those issues - particularly with large complext tables that rely upon a
>solid understanding between the x and y axis of the table.
>
>Wow, I guess I'm not surprised you haven't encountered closed captioning but
>it's a little depressing. My company has been working on ways to convert
>multi-media to a format with closed captioning for deaf users so our clients
>have access to accessible content - it's tough but by no means impossible.
>
>Joel
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael Goddard [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
>Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 2:34 PM
>To: WebAIM forum
>Subject: Re: Question about Screen Readers.
>
>
>Joel,
>
>Thank you for shedding some light to this. I believe I am getting an
>understanding of how the screen is being read. Is it just the anchor tags
>and image tags that are read or are there other tags that I should be aware
>of?
>
>I will be extremely honest with you on your question about multi-media
>presentations that I have come across that has text transcripts or
>captioning. The answer is zero! I have yet to come across any multi-media
>oriented material that offers text transcription or captioning.
>
>Thank you for the information
>
>Michael
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Joel Sanda" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>To: "'WebAIM forum'" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 4:29 PM
>Subject: RE: Question about Screen Readers.
>
>
>> Michael;
>>
>> Great question! I'm sighted and have hearing and have used JAWS quite a
>bit
>> to test the accessibility of our products ... so maybe I can shed some
>light
>> on this.
>>
>> Properly coded web pages will have their content, and some mark-up
>necessary
>> for meaning, read aloud by JAWS.
>>
>> Certain elements, like anchor tags, images, list items, and so on will
>have
>> a preface read before them. So the following code:
>>
>> <a href="http://www.home.com"><img src="home.gif" alt=""></a>
>>
>> Will be read aloud as "image, anchor tag: home.com". I may have the exact
>> wording off a little, but that's the crux of it. On the other hand, coding
>> the same feature this way:
>>
>> <a href="http://www.home.com" title="Go to Home.com's Home Page"><img
>> src="home.gif" alt="Picture of a House"></a> can be read as:
>>
>> "link, Go to Home dot com's Home Page". Image: Picture of a House".
>>
>> As for Lynx - you're on the right track. I often use Lynx to test sites
>with
>> style sheets turned off and to "see" what the blind will "hear", since the
>> alt attribute is displayed in Lynx.
>>
>> Let me ask you this, in turn: how often do you encounter multi-media
>> presentations that have text transcripts or closed captioning?
>>
>> As for training, have you hit the resources at: www.w3.org/wai? That's
>free
>> and there are some really good (the best, IMHO) learning resources there.
>>
>> Joel
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Goddard [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 2:01 PM
>> To: WebAIM forum
>> Subject: Question about Screen Readers.
>>
>>
>> I am curious as to exactly what do the screen readers "read and speak". I
>> am deaf so I cannot "first-hand" experiment with something like this.
>>
>> I have downloaded the Lynx browser to see what might a screen reader "read
>> and say" is this a reliable thing? Do the screen readers just speak the
>> text or do the screen readers actually speak the HTML coding as well?
>>
>> I am trying to migrate more into the accessibility field for web design
>and
>> development since I believe it is going to explode in the near future.
>> Currently, I have over 5 years experience working in the field of web
>> development (strictly HTML coding) have learned many more skills
>including,
>> graphics, PHP, MySQL programming.
>>
>> Anyone know of some online training for this? I know that WebAIM has
>> courses but I cannot afford something like that. I am hoping there might
>be
>> free courses anywhere?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

From: tklm@lineone.net
Date: Wed, Aug 15 2001 3:54AM
Subject: Re: Question about screen readers
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Michael
If you download the evaluation version of IBM Home Page Reader (HPR), you
can see which words are being spoken because it shows them in a separate
window and highlights each word as it is spoken using inverse text. There
are some items it doesn't show but does speak, e.g. the contents of the
TITLE tag, but it should give you a better idea what the experience of using
a screen reader is like.
John Farrie
Accessibility by Design
"Design for accessibility and everyone can benefit"
http://accessibilitybydesign.co.uk

From: tklm@lineone.net
Date: Wed, Aug 15 2001 4:04AM
Subject: Re: Question about screen readers
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> window and highlights each word as it is spoken using inverse text. There
> are some items it doesn't show but does speak, ...
I should add that it also bleeps when it reads a heading (H1, H2, etc.).
You can see this in HPR because it displays these words in a larger bolder
font.
John Farrie
Accessibility by Design
"Design for accessibility and everyone can benefit"
http://accessibilitybydesign.co.uk

From: Mark Rew
Date: Wed, Aug 15 2001 5:24AM
Subject: Re: Question about screen readers
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Michael,
Can you take a look at a text captioned bideo we did. We use MAGPIE and
created a SMIL file that runs under Real Player. You will need to have
captioning enabled. This setting is in View preferences under
accessibility. Please tell me how well we did, and what we can do to
improve our captioning. See
http://www.nws.noaa.gov/cfo/media/darrell_waltrip.smil
thanks
Mark Rew
National Weather Service
Office of the Chief Information Officer
301-713-0262 x131
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Goddard" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
To: "WebAIM forum" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 4:00 PM
Subject: Question about Screen Readers.

> I am curious as to exactly what do the screen readers "read and speak". I
> am deaf so I cannot "first-hand" experiment with something like this.
>
> I have downloaded the Lynx browser to see what might a screen reader "read
> and say" is this a reliable thing? Do the screen readers just speak the
> text or do the screen readers actually speak the HTML coding as well?
>
> I am trying to migrate more into the accessibility field for web design
and
> development since I believe it is going to explode in the near future.
> Currently, I have over 5 years experience working in the field of web
> development (strictly HTML coding) have learned many more skills
including,
> graphics, PHP, MySQL programming.
>
> Anyone know of some online training for this? I know that WebAIM has
> courses but I cannot afford something like that. I am hoping there might
be
> free courses anywhere?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>

From: Andrew Kirkpatrick
Date: Wed, Aug 15 2001 7:38AM
Subject: Re: Question about screen readers
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Michael,
Can you define "multimedia" as you interpret the term? I can point you to a
good bit of media that is captioned or described or has a transcript (some
have all three). I am currently working on the issue of rich media
accessibility (I define rich media as changing over time or in response to
user interaction) at the National Center for Accessible Media in Boston. We
have a resource center with a showcase of accessible (multi) media at
http://ncam.wgbh.org/richmedia/showcase.html. Some media is hosted on our
site and others are linked. WGBH offers quite a variety of
captioned/transcribed media (check out NOVA at WGBH/PBS or go to WGBH's
QuickTime TV channel from your QT player).
Andrew
On 8/14/01 4:33 PM, Michael Goddard ( = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ) wrote:
> Joel,
>
> Thank you for shedding some light to this. I believe I am getting an
> understanding of how the screen is being read. Is it just the anchor tags
> and image tags that are read or are there other tags that I should be aware
> of?
>
> I will be extremely honest with you on your question about multi-media
> presentations that I have come across that has text transcripts or
> captioning. The answer is zero! I have yet to come across any multi-media
> oriented material that offers text transcription or captioning.
>
> Thank you for the information
>
> Michael
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joel Sanda" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> To: "'WebAIM forum'" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 4:29 PM
> Subject: RE: Question about Screen Readers.
>
>
>> Michael;
>>
>> Great question! I'm sighted and have hearing and have used JAWS quite a
> bit
>> to test the accessibility of our products ... so maybe I can shed some
> light
>> on this.
>>
>> Properly coded web pages will have their content, and some mark-up
> necessary
>> for meaning, read aloud by JAWS.
>>
>> Certain elements, like anchor tags, images, list items, and so on will
> have
>> a preface read before them. So the following code:
>>
>> <a href="http://www.home.com"><img src="home.gif" alt=""></a>
>>
>> Will be read aloud as "image, anchor tag: home.com". I may have the exact
>> wording off a little, but that's the crux of it. On the other hand, coding
>> the same feature this way:
>>
>> <a href="http://www.home.com" title="Go to Home.com's Home Page"><img
>> src="home.gif" alt="Picture of a House"></a> can be read as:
>>
>> "link, Go to Home dot com's Home Page". Image: Picture of a House".
>>
>> As for Lynx - you're on the right track. I often use Lynx to test sites
> with
>> style sheets turned off and to "see" what the blind will "hear", since the
>> alt attribute is displayed in Lynx.
>>
>> Let me ask you this, in turn: how often do you encounter multi-media
>> presentations that have text transcripts or closed captioning?
>>
>> As for training, have you hit the resources at: www.w3.org/wai? That's
> free
>> and there are some really good (the best, IMHO) learning resources there.
>>
>> Joel
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Goddard [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 2:01 PM
>> To: WebAIM forum
>> Subject: Question about Screen Readers.
>>
>>
>> I am curious as to exactly what do the screen readers "read and speak". I
>> am deaf so I cannot "first-hand" experiment with something like this.
>>
>> I have downloaded the Lynx browser to see what might a screen reader "read
>> and say" is this a reliable thing? Do the screen readers just speak the
>> text or do the screen readers actually speak the HTML coding as well?
>>
>> I am trying to migrate more into the accessibility field for web design
> and
>> development since I believe it is going to explode in the near future.
>> Currently, I have over 5 years experience working in the field of web
>> development (strictly HTML coding) have learned many more skills
> including,
>> graphics, PHP, MySQL programming.
>>
>> Anyone know of some online training for this? I know that WebAIM has
>> courses but I cannot afford something like that. I am hoping there might
> be
>> free courses anywhere?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
Andrew Kirkpatrick, Technical Project Coordinator
CPB/WGBH National Center for Accessible Media
125 Western Ave.
Boston, MA 02134
E-mail: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Web site: ncam.wgbh.org
617-300-4420 (direct voice/FAX)
617-300-3400 (main NCAM)
617-300-2489 (TTY)
WGBH enriches people's lives through programs and services that educate,
inspire, and entertain, fostering citizenship and culture, the joy of
learning, and the power of diverse perspectives.


Michael,
Can you define "multimedia" as you interpret the term? I can point you to a
good bit of media that is captioned or described or has a transcript (some
have all three). I am currently working on the issue of rich media
accessibility (I define rich media as changing over time or in response to
user interaction) at the National Center for Accessible Media in Boston. We
have a resource center with a showcase of accessible (multi) media at
http://ncam.wgbh.org/richmedia/showcase.html. Some media is hosted on our
site and others are linked. WGBH offers quite a variety of
captioned/transcribed media (check out NOVA at WGBH/PBS or go to WGBH's
QuickTime TV channel from your QT player).
Andrew
On 8/14/01 4:33 PM, Michael Goddard ( = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ) wrote:
> Joel,
>
> Thank you for shedding some light to this. I believe I am getting an
> understanding of how the screen is being read. Is it just the anchor tags
> and image tags that are read or are there other tags that I should be aware
> of?
>
> I will be extremely honest with you on your question about multi-media
> presentations that I have come across that has text transcripts or
> captioning. The answer is zero! I have yet to come across any multi-media
> oriented material that offers text transcription or captioning.
>
> Thank you for the information
>
> Michael
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joel Sanda" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> To: "'WebAIM forum'" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 4:29 PM
> Subject: RE: Question about Screen Readers.
>
>
>> Michael;
>>
>> Great question! I'm sighted and have hearing and have used JAWS quite a
> bit
>> to test the accessibility of our products ... so maybe I can shed some
> light
>> on this.
>>
>> Properly coded web pages will have their content, and some mark-up
> necessary
>> for meaning, read aloud by JAWS.
>>
>> Certain elements, like anchor tags, images, list items, and so on will
> have
>> a preface read before them. So the following code:
>>
>> <a href="http://www.home.com"><img src="home.gif" alt=""></a>
>>
>> Will be read aloud as "image, anchor tag: home.com". I may have the exact
>> wording off a little, but that's the crux of it. On the other hand, coding
>> the same feature this way:
>>
>> <a href="http://www.home.com" title="Go to Home.com's Home Page"><img
>> src="home.gif" alt="Picture of a House"></a> can be read as:
>>
>> "link, Go to Home dot com's Home Page". Image: Picture of a House".
>>
>> As for Lynx - you're on the right track. I often use Lynx to test sites
> with
>> style sheets turned off and to "see" what the blind will "hear", since the
>> alt attribute is displayed in Lynx.
>>
>> Let me ask you this, in turn: how often do you encounter multi-media
>> presentations that have text transcripts or closed captioning?
>>
>> As for training, have you hit the resources at: www.w3.org/wai? That's
> free
>> and there are some really good (the best, IMHO) learning resources there.
>>
>> Joel
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Goddard [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 2:01 PM
>> To: WebAIM forum
>> Subject: Question about Screen Readers.
>>
>>
>> I am curious as to exactly what do the screen readers "read and speak". I
>> am deaf so I cannot "first-hand" experiment with something like this.
>>
>> I have downloaded the Lynx browser to see what might a screen reader "read
>> and say" is this a reliable thing? Do the screen readers just speak the
>> text or do the screen readers actually speak the HTML coding as well?
>>
>> I am trying to migrate more into the accessibility field for web design
> and
>> development since I believe it is going to explode in the near future.
>> Currently, I have over 5 years experience working in the field of web
>> development (strictly HTML coding) have learned many more skills
> including,
>> graphics, PHP, MySQL programming.
>>
>> Anyone know of some online training for this? I know that WebAIM has
>> courses but I cannot afford something like that. I am hoping there might
> be
>> free courses anywhere?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
Andrew Kirkpatrick, Technical Project Coordinator
CPB/WGBH National Center for Accessible Media
125 Western Ave.
Boston, MA 02134
E-mail: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Web site: ncam.wgbh.org
617-300-4420 (direct voice/FAX)
617-300-3400 (main NCAM)
617-300-2489 (TTY)
WGBH enriches people's lives through programs and services that educate,
inspire, and entertain, fostering citizenship and culture, the joy of
learning, and the power of diverse perspectives.

From: Andrew Kirkpatrick
Date: Wed, Aug 15 2001 7:49AM
Subject: Re: Question about screen readers
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Shirley,
What sort of media do you need to caption. NCAM/WGBH offers MAGpie, which
is a tool for captioning and describing media. Version 1 (currently
available) can caption windows media, QT (temporarily converted to AVI for
captioning), and even some Flash, but doesn't work for Real (you can caption
the original .mpg/.avi/?? file that was used to create the real video
version and then combine the caption file with the Real video file).
MAGpie2 will deal with all the major media types, and will be in beta soon.
You can find out more about MAGpie and see examples at:
http://ncam.wgbh.org/richmedia
http://ncam.wgbh.org/webaccess/magpie
Let me know if I can be of any assistance,
Andrew
On 8/14/01 4:52 PM, Shirley Mattingly ( = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = )
wrote:
> Dear Joel:
>
> RE: >My company has been working on ways to convert
> multi-media to a format with closed captioning for deaf users so our clients
> have access to accessible content - it's tough but by no means impossible.<
>
> Will you let us know when you are successful? :-)
>
> Thanks
>
>
>>>> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = 08/14/01 04:46PM >>>
> Michael;
>
> You know, I've never seen a list of HTML tags read by screen readers. I'm
> sure such exist, and I've asked screen reader manufacturers for information
> on them, but haven't got anything.
>
> The rule of thumb, though, that I've discovered is this: if the mark-up
> makes contextual sense to the content then the content is read.
>
> Consider the <li> element. In an <ul> it reads as 'bullet'. In a <ol> the
> actual digit is read. Tables are a bit trickier, and we're still wrestling
> with those issues - particularly with large complext tables that rely upon a
> solid understanding between the x and y axis of the table.
>
> Wow, I guess I'm not surprised you haven't encountered closed captioning but
> it's a little depressing. My company has been working on ways to convert
> multi-media to a format with closed captioning for deaf users so our clients
> have access to accessible content - it's tough but by no means impossible.
>
> Joel
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Goddard [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 2:34 PM
> To: WebAIM forum
> Subject: Re: Question about Screen Readers.
>
>
> Joel,
>
> Thank you for shedding some light to this. I believe I am getting an
> understanding of how the screen is being read. Is it just the anchor tags
> and image tags that are read or are there other tags that I should be aware
> of?
>
> I will be extremely honest with you on your question about multi-media
> presentations that I have come across that has text transcripts or
> captioning. The answer is zero! I have yet to come across any multi-media
> oriented material that offers text transcription or captioning.
>
> Thank you for the information
>
> Michael
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joel Sanda" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> To: "'WebAIM forum'" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 4:29 PM
> Subject: RE: Question about Screen Readers.
>
>
>> Michael;
>>
>> Great question! I'm sighted and have hearing and have used JAWS quite a
> bit
>> to test the accessibility of our products ... so maybe I can shed some
> light
>> on this.
>>
>> Properly coded web pages will have their content, and some mark-up
> necessary
>> for meaning, read aloud by JAWS.
>>
>> Certain elements, like anchor tags, images, list items, and so on will
> have
>> a preface read before them. So the following code:
>>
>> <a href="http://www.home.com"><img src="home.gif" alt=""></a>
>>
>> Will be read aloud as "image, anchor tag: home.com". I may have the exact
>> wording off a little, but that's the crux of it. On the other hand, coding
>> the same feature this way:
>>
>> <a href="http://www.home.com" title="Go to Home.com's Home Page"><img
>> src="home.gif" alt="Picture of a House"></a> can be read as:
>>
>> "link, Go to Home dot com's Home Page". Image: Picture of a House".
>>
>> As for Lynx - you're on the right track. I often use Lynx to test sites
> with
>> style sheets turned off and to "see" what the blind will "hear", since the
>> alt attribute is displayed in Lynx.
>>
>> Let me ask you this, in turn: how often do you encounter multi-media
>> presentations that have text transcripts or closed captioning?
>>
>> As for training, have you hit the resources at: www.w3.org/wai? That's
> free
>> and there are some really good (the best, IMHO) learning resources there.
>>
>> Joel
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Goddard [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 2:01 PM
>> To: WebAIM forum
>> Subject: Question about Screen Readers.
>>
>>
>> I am curious as to exactly what do the screen readers "read and speak". I
>> am deaf so I cannot "first-hand" experiment with something like this.
>>
>> I have downloaded the Lynx browser to see what might a screen reader "read
>> and say" is this a reliable thing? Do the screen readers just speak the
>> text or do the screen readers actually speak the HTML coding as well?
>>
>> I am trying to migrate more into the accessibility field for web design
> and
>> development since I believe it is going to explode in the near future.
>> Currently, I have over 5 years experience working in the field of web
>> development (strictly HTML coding) have learned many more skills
> including,
>> graphics, PHP, MySQL programming.
>>
>> Anyone know of some online training for this? I know that WebAIM has
>> courses but I cannot afford something like that. I am hoping there might
> be
>> free courses anywhere?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
--
Andrew Kirkpatrick, Technical Project Coordinator
CPB/WGBH National Center for Accessible Media
125 Western Ave.
Boston, MA 02134
E-mail: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Web site: ncam.wgbh.org
617-300-4420 (direct voice/FAX)
617-300-3400 (main NCAM)
617-300-2489 (TTY)
WGBH enriches people's lives through programs and services that educate,
inspire, and entertain, fostering citizenship and culture, the joy of
learning, and the power of diverse perspectives.

From: Michael Goddard
Date: Wed, Aug 15 2001 8:00AM
Subject: Re: Question about screen readers
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multi-media in my mind is any type of video or audio whether in real
video/audio format, avi, mpg or quicktime etc. A lot of the sites that I
have visited (mainly news and sport sites as well as miscellaneous sites
involving web development) I do not see any type of captioning available for
newsfeeds or broadcasts. And from my understanding, many online courses
that offer "real video" and audio do not have any type of captioning or
transcripts??
I get extremely frustrated with clips featuring "presentations and
interviews". I WANT to be able to access this information but have you ever
tried to lip read a real video? Impossible! I don't understand why
captioning cannot be seamlessly integrated with the media as the media is
formatted etc.. I know it is a lot of work and cost wise..some companies
cringe at spending the extra green.
Sorry if this response seems a bit heated. It is a big frustration on my
end and today is just one of those days.
Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Kirkpatrick" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
To: "WebAIM forum" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: Question about Screen Readers.

> Michael,
> Can you define "multimedia" as you interpret the term? I can point you to
a
> good bit of media that is captioned or described or has a transcript (some
> have all three). I am currently working on the issue of rich media
> accessibility (I define rich media as changing over time or in response to
> user interaction) at the National Center for Accessible Media in Boston.
We
> have a resource center with a showcase of accessible (multi) media at
> http://ncam.wgbh.org/richmedia/showcase.html. Some media is hosted on our
> site and others are linked. WGBH offers quite a variety of
> captioned/transcribed media (check out NOVA at WGBH/PBS or go to WGBH's
> QuickTime TV channel from your QT player).
>
> Andrew
>
> On 8/14/01 4:33 PM, Michael Goddard ( = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ) wrote:
>
> > Joel,
> >
> > Thank you for shedding some light to this. I believe I am getting an
> > understanding of how the screen is being read. Is it just the anchor
tags
> > and image tags that are read or are there other tags that I should be
aware
> > of?
> >
> > I will be extremely honest with you on your question about multi-media
> > presentations that I have come across that has text transcripts or
> > captioning. The answer is zero! I have yet to come across any
multi-media
> > oriented material that offers text transcription or captioning.
> >
> > Thank you for the information
> >
> > Michael
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joel Sanda" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> > To: "'WebAIM forum'" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 4:29 PM
> > Subject: RE: Question about Screen Readers.
> >
> >
> >> Michael;
> >>
> >> Great question! I'm sighted and have hearing and have used JAWS quite a
> > bit
> >> to test the accessibility of our products ... so maybe I can shed some
> > light
> >> on this.
> >>
> >> Properly coded web pages will have their content, and some mark-up
> > necessary
> >> for meaning, read aloud by JAWS.
> >>
> >> Certain elements, like anchor tags, images, list items, and so on will
> > have
> >> a preface read before them. So the following code:
> >>
> >> <a href="http://www.home.com"><img src="home.gif" alt=""></a>
> >>
> >> Will be read aloud as "image, anchor tag: home.com". I may have the
exact
> >> wording off a little, but that's the crux of it. On the other hand,
coding
> >> the same feature this way:
> >>
> >> <a href="http://www.home.com" title="Go to Home.com's Home Page"><img
> >> src="home.gif" alt="Picture of a House"></a> can be read as:
> >>
> >> "link, Go to Home dot com's Home Page". Image: Picture of a House".
> >>
> >> As for Lynx - you're on the right track. I often use Lynx to test sites
> > with
> >> style sheets turned off and to "see" what the blind will "hear", since
the
> >> alt attribute is displayed in Lynx.
> >>
> >> Let me ask you this, in turn: how often do you encounter multi-media
> >> presentations that have text transcripts or closed captioning?
> >>
> >> As for training, have you hit the resources at: www.w3.org/wai? That's
> > free
> >> and there are some really good (the best, IMHO) learning resources
there.
> >>
> >> Joel
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Michael Goddard [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 2:01 PM
> >> To: WebAIM forum
> >> Subject: Question about Screen Readers.
> >>
> >>
> >> I am curious as to exactly what do the screen readers "read and speak".
I
> >> am deaf so I cannot "first-hand" experiment with something like this.
> >>
> >> I have downloaded the Lynx browser to see what might a screen reader
"read
> >> and say" is this a reliable thing? Do the screen readers just speak
the
> >> text or do the screen readers actually speak the HTML coding as well?
> >>
> >> I am trying to migrate more into the accessibility field for web design
> > and
> >> development since I believe it is going to explode in the near future.
> >> Currently, I have over 5 years experience working in the field of web
> >> development (strictly HTML coding) have learned many more skills
> > including,
> >> graphics, PHP, MySQL programming.
> >>
> >> Anyone know of some online training for this? I know that WebAIM has
> >> courses but I cannot afford something like that. I am hoping there
might
> > be
> >> free courses anywhere?
> >>
> >> Thank you,
> >>
> >> Michael
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
> --
> Andrew Kirkpatrick, Technical Project Coordinator
> CPB/WGBH National Center for Accessible Media
> 125 Western Ave.
> Boston, MA 02134
> E-mail: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> Web site: ncam.wgbh.org
>
> 617-300-4420 (direct voice/FAX)
> 617-300-3400 (main NCAM)
> 617-300-2489 (TTY)
>
> WGBH enriches people's lives through programs and services that educate,
> inspire, and entertain, fostering citizenship and culture, the joy of
> learning, and the power of diverse perspectives.
>
>
>
>

From: Michael Goddard
Date: Wed, Aug 15 2001 8:20AM
Subject: Re: Question about screen readers
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Mark,
Everytime I have tried to access this file..the buffering keeps hanging..I
have waited over 5 minutes for the file to open and nothing is happening.
FYI,
Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Rew" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
To: "WebAIM forum" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Cc: < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: Question about Screen Readers.

> Michael,
>
> Can you take a look at a text captioned bideo we did. We use MAGPIE and
> created a SMIL file that runs under Real Player. You will need to have
> captioning enabled. This setting is in View preferences under
> accessibility. Please tell me how well we did, and what we can do to
> improve our captioning. See
> http://www.nws.noaa.gov/cfo/media/darrell_waltrip.smil
>
> thanks
> Mark Rew
> National Weather Service
> Office of the Chief Information Officer
> 301-713-0262 x131
> e-mail: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Goddard" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> To: "WebAIM forum" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 4:00 PM
> Subject: Question about Screen Readers.
>
>
> > I am curious as to exactly what do the screen readers "read and speak".
I
> > am deaf so I cannot "first-hand" experiment with something like this.
> >
> > I have downloaded the Lynx browser to see what might a screen reader
"read
> > and say" is this a reliable thing? Do the screen readers just speak the
> > text or do the screen readers actually speak the HTML coding as well?
> >
> > I am trying to migrate more into the accessibility field for web design
> and
> > development since I believe it is going to explode in the near future.
> > Currently, I have over 5 years experience working in the field of web
> > development (strictly HTML coding) have learned many more skills
> including,
> > graphics, PHP, MySQL programming.
> >
> > Anyone know of some online training for this? I know that WebAIM has
> > courses but I cannot afford something like that. I am hoping there
might
> be
> > free courses anywhere?
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

From: tklm@lineone.net
Date: Wed, Aug 15 2001 8:54AM
Subject: Re: Question about screen reades
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> Everytime I have tried to access this file..the buffering keeps hanging..I
> have waited over 5 minutes for the file to open and nothing is happening.
RealPlayer reports that this is encoded at 3185.3Kbps. My ADSL link is
approx 500Kbps if I'm lucky, and a typical 56K modem is approx 50Kbps, so
it's not surprising the "buffering keeps hanging" - a typical user won't be
able to fill the buffer fast enough to do anything with the stream. (Or am
I reading something wrong here?)
John Farrie
Accessibility by Design
"Design for accessibility and everyone can benefit"
http://accessibilitybydesign.co.uk

From: Kristin Evenson Hirst
Date: Wed, Aug 15 2001 2:44PM
Subject: Re: Question about Screen Readers
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Here's a helpful online video -- "Introduction to the Screen Reader" with
Neal Ewers of the Trace Research Center at
http://wiscinfo.doit.wisc.edu/ltde/access/ewers.htm It's a QuickTIme file
-- 12 mb -- that is closed-captioned. There's also a link to a transcript.


Kristin Evenson Hirst, Hirst Logics website development
http://www.hirstlogics.com/
PO Box 733, Iowa City IA 52244 -- e-mail: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
phone: 319-621-0943
fax: 815-352-1685

From: Carol Foster
Date: Thu, Aug 16 2001 9:20PM
Subject: Re: Question about Screen Readers/captions
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Thanks for this link, Kristin, and for everyone else's useful comments on this
and other subjects.
When I view this video, and many others, with my Windows machine with large
fonts, the captions are cut off at the bottom, making the ones that extend to
more than 1 line unreadable. I have discussed this with Andrew Kirkpatrick
from NCAM, who was very helpful and sent me this interesting link about
cross-platform caption issues:
http://ncam.wgbh.org/richmedia/crossplatcaps.html
Am I correct in understanding that captions have to be created on a Windows
machine with large fonts in order to be read by the widest audience?
Thanks again everyone,
Carol
Kristin Evenson Hirst wrote:
> Here's a helpful online video -- "Introduction to the Screen Reader" with
> Neal Ewers of the Trace Research Center at
> http://wiscinfo.doit.wisc.edu/ltde/access/ewers.htm It's a QuickTIme file
> -- 12 mb -- that is closed-captioned. There's also a link to a transcript.
>
> Kristin Evenson Hirst, Hirst Logics website development
> http://www.hirstlogics.com/
> PO Box 733, Iowa City IA 52244 -- e-mail: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> phone: 319-621-0943
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From: Andrew Kirkpatrick
Date: Fri, Aug 17 2001 2:24PM
Subject: Re: Question about Screen Readers/captions
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