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From: Joan Preston
Date: Thu, Mar 30 2017 2:34PM
Subject: Google's Invisible reCAPTCHA
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Hi all,

Has anyone tried implementing Googles Invisible reCAPTCHA? If yes, tested it with assistive technology? I know it states it is invisible, but not sure if it's truly invisible to AT users.

https://developers.google.com/recaptcha/docs/invisible

Thanks,

Joan Preston
Web Accessibility Coordinator
ITS - California State University, Long Beach
562.985.1490

From: Jim Allan
Date: Thu, Mar 30 2017 2:45PM
Subject: Re: Google's Invisible reCAPTCHA
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for me, worked in Chrome with Jaws. Failed everytime with FF and Jaws

On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Joan Preston < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Has anyone tried implementing Googles Invisible reCAPTCHA? If yes, tested
> it with assistive technology? I know it states it is invisible, but not
> sure if it's truly invisible to AT users.
>
> https://developers.google.com/recaptcha/docs/invisible
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joan Preston
> Web Accessibility Coordinator
> ITS - California State University, Long Beach
> 562.985.1490
>
>
> > > > >



--
Jim Allan, Accessibility Coordinator
Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756
voice 512.206.9315 fax: 512.206.9264 http://www.tsbvi.edu/
"We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." McLuhan, 1964

From: Joan Preston
Date: Mon, Apr 03 2017 9:07AM
Subject: Re: Google's Invisible reCAPTCHA
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Thanks Jim for your reply and letting me know what it worked in.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Allan [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:46 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Google's Invisible reCAPTCHA

for me, worked in Chrome with Jaws. Failed everytime with FF and Jaws

On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Joan Preston < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Has anyone tried implementing Googles Invisible reCAPTCHA? If yes,
> tested it with assistive technology? I know it states it is
> invisible, but not sure if it's truly invisible to AT users.
>
> https://developers.google.com/recaptcha/docs/invisible





--
Jim Allan, Accessibility Coordinator
Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756
voice 512.206.9315 fax: 512.206.9264 http://www.tsbvi.edu/
"We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." McLuhan, 1964

From: Joan Preston
Date: Mon, Apr 03 2017 10:25AM
Subject: Re: Google's Invisible reCAPTCHA
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Hi Jim,

Have you tested Invisible reCAPTCHA with IE11 and JAWS?

Thanks,

Joan Preston
Web Accessibility Coordinator
ITS - California State University, Long Beach
562.985.1490



-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Allan [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:46 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Google's Invisible reCAPTCHA

for me, worked in Chrome with Jaws. Failed everytime with FF and Jaws


--
Jim Allan, Accessibility Coordinator
Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756
voice 512.206.9315 fax: 512.206.9264 http://www.tsbvi.edu/
"We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." McLuhan, 1964

From: Jim Allan
Date: Mon, Apr 03 2017 3:42PM
Subject: Re: Google's Invisible reCAPTCHA
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I tried this page
https://www.google.com/recaptcha/api2/demo?invisible=true
with IE 11 and Jaws on Windows 7 - tried 5 times Failed every time

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Joan Preston < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>
> Have you tested Invisible reCAPTCHA with IE11 and JAWS?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joan Preston
> Web Accessibility Coordinator
> ITS - California State University, Long Beach
> 562.985.1490
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Allan [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:46 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Google's Invisible reCAPTCHA
>
> for me, worked in Chrome with Jaws. Failed everytime with FF and Jaws
>
>
> --
> Jim Allan, Accessibility Coordinator
> Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
> 1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756
> voice 512.206.9315 fax: 512.206.9264 http://www.tsbvi.edu/
> "We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." McLuhan, 1964
>
>


--
Jim Allan, Accessibility Coordinator
Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756
voice 512.206.9315 fax: 512.206.9264 http://www.tsbvi.edu/
"We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." McLuhan, 1964

From: Joan Preston
Date: Mon, Apr 03 2017 5:25PM
Subject: Re: Google's Invisible reCAPTCHA
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Thanks for pointing me to the demo. I tried on Windows 10 and you need to take it out of Virtual Mode to add the numbers or use the number pad. It worked the same for both reCAPTCHA and invisible ReCAPTCHA. I don’t understand why Google does not make this accessible, it wouldn’t take too many changes to get it there.

Thanks,

Joan Preston
Web Accessibility Coordinator
ITS - California State University, Long Beach
562.985.1490


From: Jim Allan [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 2:43 PM
To: Joan Preston < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Cc: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Google's Invisible reCAPTCHA

I tried this page
https://www.google.com/recaptcha/api2/demo?invisible=true
with IE 11 and Jaws on Windows 7 - tried 5 times Failed every time

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Joan Preston < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >> wrote:
Hi Jim,

Have you tested Invisible reCAPTCHA with IE11 and JAWS?

Thanks,

Joan Preston
Web Accessibility Coordinator
ITS - California State University, Long Beach
562.985.1490<tel:562.985.1490>



-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Allan [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >]
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:46 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >>
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Google's Invisible reCAPTCHA

for me, worked in Chrome with Jaws. Failed everytime with FF and Jaws

--
Jim Allan, Accessibility Coordinator
Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756
voice 512.206.9315<tel:512.206.9315> fax: 512.206.9264<tel:512.206.9264> http://www.tsbvi.edu/
"We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." McLuhan, 1964



--
Jim Allan, Accessibility Coordinator
Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756
voice 512.206.9315 fax: 512.206.9264 http://www.tsbvi.edu/
"We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." McLuhan, 1964

From: Bossley, Peter A.
Date: Mon, Apr 03 2017 7:28PM
Subject: Re: Google's Invisible reCAPTCHA
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I have to say, from an accessibility standpoint, I much prefer text captchas that ask questions in text format in order to verify a human. Yes, this requires a sufficiently large sample of questions to prevent automated question answering, and no, it isn't perfect, but it is the only solution I've seen that works for those with both blindness and deafness.

-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Joan Preston
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 7:25 PM
To: Jim Allan < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Cc: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Google's Invisible reCAPTCHA

Thanks for pointing me to the demo. I tried on Windows 10 and you need to take it out of Virtual Mode to add the numbers or use the number pad. It worked the same for both reCAPTCHA and invisible ReCAPTCHA. I don’t understand why Google does not make this accessible, it wouldn’t take too many changes to get it there.

Thanks,

Joan Preston
Web Accessibility Coordinator
ITS - California State University, Long Beach
562.985.1490


From: Jim Allan [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 2:43 PM
To: Joan Preston < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Cc: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Google's Invisible reCAPTCHA

I tried this page
https://www.google.com/recaptcha/api2/demo?invisible=true
with IE 11 and Jaws on Windows 7 - tried 5 times Failed every time

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Joan Preston < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >> wrote:
Hi Jim,

Have you tested Invisible reCAPTCHA with IE11 and JAWS?

Thanks,

Joan Preston
Web Accessibility Coordinator
ITS - California State University, Long Beach
562.985.1490<tel:562.985.1490>



-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Allan [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >]
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:46 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >>
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Google's Invisible reCAPTCHA

for me, worked in Chrome with Jaws. Failed everytime with FF and Jaws

--
Jim Allan, Accessibility Coordinator
Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756
voice 512.206.9315<tel:512.206.9315> fax: 512.206.9264<tel:512.206.9264> http://www.tsbvi.edu/
"We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." McLuhan, 1964



--
Jim Allan, Accessibility Coordinator
Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756
voice 512.206.9315 fax: 512.206.9264 http://www.tsbvi.edu/
"We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." McLuhan, 1964

From: Jeremy Echols
Date: Tue, Apr 04 2017 9:33AM
Subject: Re: Google's Invisible reCAPTCHA
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I concur. I avoid the mouse whenever possible (wrist pain), and substandard-but-not-atrocious vision, and I find most captchas very annoying. I have yet to figure out how to do the "pick the images that show a street sign" type with just the keyboard. Many captchas are hard for me to read and my vision isn't even all that bad. I've tried the audio captchas and found them even tougher.

If a site has a difficult captcha and the content isn't something I consider a "must have", I tend to just give up and look for something similar elsewhere.

A long time ago I implemented a very naive captcha that consisted of questions like "Type in the third letter of the word 'chicken'". It was effective at stopping most of our spam problems because it was a one-off captcha that bots didn't bother to handle. ...but I don't know how well that sort of problem works for people with cognitive issues.
From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > on behalf of Bossley, Peter A. < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 6:28 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List; Jim Allan
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Google's Invisible reCAPTCHA

I have to say, from an accessibility standpoint, I much prefer text captchas that ask questions in text format in order to verify a human. Yes, this requires a sufficiently large sample of questions to prevent automated question answering, and no, it isn't perfect, but it is the only solution I've seen that works for those with both blindness and deafness.

-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Joan Preston
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 7:25 PM
To: Jim Allan < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Cc: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Google's Invisible reCAPTCHA

Thanks for pointing me to the demo. I tried on Windows 10 and you need to take it out of Virtual Mode to add the numbers or use the number pad. It worked the same for both reCAPTCHA and invisible ReCAPTCHA. I don’t understand why Google does not make this accessible, it wouldn’t take too many changes to get it there.

Thanks,

Joan Preston
Web Accessibility Coordinator
ITS - California State University, Long Beach
562.985.1490


From: Jim Allan [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 2:43 PM
To: Joan Preston < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Cc: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Google's Invisible reCAPTCHA

I tried this page
https://www.google.com/recaptcha/api2/demo?invisible=true
with IE 11 and Jaws on Windows 7 - tried 5 times Failed every time

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Joan Preston < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >> wrote:
Hi Jim,

Have you tested Invisible reCAPTCHA with IE11 and JAWS?

Thanks,

Joan Preston
Web Accessibility Coordinator
ITS - California State University, Long Beach
562.985.1490<tel:562.985.1490>



-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Allan [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >]
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:46 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >>
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Google's Invisible reCAPTCHA

for me, worked in Chrome with Jaws. Failed everytime with FF and Jaws

--
Jim Allan, Accessibility Coordinator
Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756
voice 512.206.9315<tel:512.206.9315> fax: 512.206.9264<tel:512.206.9264> http://www.tsbvi.edu/
"We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." McLuhan, 1964



--
Jim Allan, Accessibility Coordinator
Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756
voice 512.206.9315 fax: 512.206.9264 http://www.tsbvi.edu/
"We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." McLuhan, 1964

From: Joan Preston
Date: Tue, Apr 04 2017 12:15PM
Subject: Re: Google's Invisible reCAPTCHA
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I appreciate all the feedback. I have seen forms that ask the user to add or subtract numbers or some other logical question. Not sure how well they work against the spambots or if there are issues for cognitive impaired users.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy Echols [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:34 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >; Jim Allan < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Google's Invisible reCAPTCHA

I concur. I avoid the mouse whenever possible (wrist pain), and substandard-but-not-atrocious vision, and I find most captchas very annoying. I have yet to figure out how to do the "pick the images that show a street sign" type with just the keyboard. Many captchas are hard for me to read and my vision isn't even all that bad. I've tried the audio captchas and found them even tougher.

If a site has a difficult captcha and the content isn't something I consider a "must have", I tend to just give up and look for something similar elsewhere.

A long time ago I implemented a very naive captcha that consisted of questions like "Type in the third letter of the word 'chicken'". It was effective at stopping most of our spam problems because it was a one-off captcha that bots didn't bother to handle. ...but I don't know how well that sort of problem works for people with cognitive issues.
From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > on behalf of Bossley, Peter A. < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 6:28 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List; Jim Allan
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Google's Invisible reCAPTCHA

I have to say, from an accessibility standpoint, I much prefer text captchas that ask questions in text format in order to verify a human. Yes, this requires a sufficiently large sample of questions to prevent automated question answering, and no, it isn't perfect, but it is the only solution I've seen that works for those with both blindness and deafness.

-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Joan Preston
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 7:25 PM
To: Jim Allan < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Cc: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Google's Invisible reCAPTCHA

Thanks for pointing me to the demo. I tried on Windows 10 and you need to take it out of Virtual Mode to add the numbers or use the number pad. It worked the same for both reCAPTCHA and invisible ReCAPTCHA. I don't understand why Google does not make this accessible, it wouldn't take too many changes to get it there.

Thanks,

Joan Preston
Web Accessibility Coordinator
ITS - California State University, Long Beach
562.985.1490


From: Jim Allan [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 2:43 PM
To: Joan Preston < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Cc: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Google's Invisible reCAPTCHA

I tried this page
https://www.google.com/recaptcha/api2/demo?invisible=true
with IE 11 and Jaws on Windows 7 - tried 5 times Failed every time

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Joan Preston < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >> wrote:
Hi Jim,

Have you tested Invisible reCAPTCHA with IE11 and JAWS?

Thanks,

Joan Preston
Web Accessibility Coordinator
ITS - California State University, Long Beach 562.985.1490<tel:562.985.1490>



-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Allan [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >]
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:46 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >>
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Google's Invisible reCAPTCHA

for me, worked in Chrome with Jaws. Failed everytime with FF and Jaws

--
Jim Allan, Accessibility Coordinator
Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756
voice 512.206.9315<tel:512.206.9315> fax: 512.206.9264<tel:512.206.9264> http://www.tsbvi.edu/
"We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." McLuhan, 1964



--
Jim Allan, Accessibility Coordinator
Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756
voice 512.206.9315 fax: 512.206.9264 http://www.tsbvi.edu/
"We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." McLuhan, 1964