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From: Alan Zaitchik
Date: Fri, Jul 14 2017 1:10PM
Subject: PDF <L> without <Lbl> tags
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Are there bad consequences if no <Lbl> tag is provided in a List Item? I
have a document in which most of the lists have <LBody> elements that
include the bullet graphic as part of the Lbody. It is proving time
consuming to break the element into two (with Acrobat's Reading Order
tool) and tag the bullet graphic as a Label.
Will an AT user care if we leave the bullet indicator inside the Lbody
element?
Thanks,
A

From: Chagnon | PubCom
Date: Fri, Jul 14 2017 3:03PM
Subject: Re: PDF <L> without <Lbl> tags
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The missing LBL tag is from documents created in Word and exported to PDF.

If the list uses a standard bullet character (such as Unicode 2023 black bullet) or numbers, screen readers will announce "Bullet" and "1" before voicing the text of the bullet. So for ordinary lists, it functions sufficiently.

PDFs exported from Adobe InDesign do contain the LBL tag and normal bullet and numbered characters are voiced correctly, but odd Unicode characters aren't voiced.

These results were from NVDA. Don't have JAWS on the computer I'm travelling with.

I have two sample test PDFs, one from Word the other from InDesign. If someone would like to test them with JAWS or other screen readers, contact me off list and I'll send the files.

--Bevi Chagnon

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Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 3:11 PM
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Subject: [WebAIM] PDF <L> without <Lbl> tags

Are there bad consequences if no <Lbl> tag is provided in a List Item? I have a document in which most of the lists have <LBody> elements that include the bullet graphic as part of the Lbody. It is proving time consuming to break the element into two (with Acrobat's Reading Order
tool) and tag the bullet graphic as a Label.
Will an AT user care if we leave the bullet indicator inside the Lbody element?
Thanks,
A

From: Ryan E. Benson
Date: Fri, Jul 14 2017 4:06PM
Subject: Re: PDF <L> without <Lbl> tags
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To add,
L
- LI
-- LBody
--- {Your text here}

Is the minimum tagging structure for lists. Tucking the bullet into the LBody is fine.

--
Ryan E. Benson

From: Chagnon | PubCom
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 17:03
To: 'WebAIM Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] PDF <L> without <Lbl> tags

The missing LBL tag is from documents created in Word and exported to PDF.

If the list uses a standard bullet character (such as Unicode 2023 black bullet) or numbers, screen readers will announce "Bullet" and "1" before voicing the text of the bullet. So for ordinary lists, it functions sufficiently.

PDFs exported from Adobe InDesign do contain the LBL tag and normal bullet and numbered characters are voiced correctly, but odd Unicode characters aren't voiced.

These results were from NVDA. Don't have JAWS on the computer I'm travelling with.

I have two sample test PDFs, one from Word the other from InDesign. If someone would like to test them with JAWS or other screen readers, contact me off list and I'll send the files.

--Bevi Chagnon

-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Alan Zaitchik
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 3:11 PM
To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Subject: [WebAIM] PDF <L> without <Lbl> tags

Are there bad consequences if no <Lbl> tag is provided in a List Item? I have a document in which most of the lists have <LBody> elements that include the bullet graphic as part of the Lbody. It is proving time consuming to break the element into two (with Acrobat's Reading Order
tool) and tag the bullet graphic as a Label.
Will an AT user care if we leave the bullet indicator inside the Lbody element?
Thanks,
A