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From: Angela French
Date: Tue, Oct 31 2017 12:20PM
Subject: Link text used for multiple different destinations
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If I have a link on a page that goes to https://domain-name/folder-name/default.aspx and one that goes to https://domain-name/folder-name/ are they really perceived as two different links by screen readers, or is my evaluation tool making a fuss about nothing?




Angela French
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From: JP Jamous
Date: Tue, Oct 31 2017 2:01PM
Subject: Re: Link text used for multiple different destinations
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I would presume that screen readers would not recognize them as same links.

If the first one has a page name, the second one might have a different default page that has a different name. To be on the safe side, the SR would consider them separate URLs.

I have not tested this. I am just thinking logically about it. You can test it real quickly with any screen reader though.

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Subject: [WebAIM] Link text used for multiple different destinations

If I have a link on a page that goes to https://domain-name/folder-name/default.aspx and one that goes to https://domain-name/folder-name/ are they really perceived as two different links by screen readers, or is my evaluation tool making a fuss about nothing?




Angela French
Internet/Intranet Specialist
Washington State Board for Community and Technical Colleges
360-704-4316
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From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Date: Tue, Oct 31 2017 2:36PM
Subject: Re: Link text used for multiple different destinations
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The screen reader doesn't care where the link points. It only exposes
the link text (or rather its accessible name)
This sounds like some accessibility testing tool is being overly picky.

Angela,a when you activate these two links, do you end up on the same
page (my guess is that you do), or on two different pages?



On 10/31/17, JP Jamous < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> I would presume that screen readers would not recognize them as same links.
>
> If the first one has a page name, the second one might have a different
> default page that has a different name. To be on the safe side, the SR would
> consider them separate URLs.
>
> I have not tested this. I am just thinking logically about it. You can test
> it real quickly with any screen reader though.
>
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> Subject: [WebAIM] Link text used for multiple different destinations
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> If I have a link on a page that goes to
> https://domain-name/folder-name/default.aspx and one that goes to
> https://domain-name/folder-name/ are they really perceived as two different
> links by screen readers, or is my evaluation tool making a fuss about
> nothing?
>
>
>
>
> Angela French
> Internet/Intranet Specialist
> Washington State Board for Community and Technical Colleges
> 360-704-4316
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From: Angela French
Date: Tue, Oct 31 2017 3:06PM
Subject: Re: Link text used for multiple different destinations
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The same page as our server is set to open up the default file if the directory is requested.

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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Link text used for multiple different destinations

The screen reader doesn't care where the link points. It only exposes the link text (or rather its accessible name) This sounds like some accessibility testing tool is being overly picky.

Angela,a when you activate these two links, do you end up on the same page (my guess is that you do), or on two different pages?



On 10/31/17, JP Jamous < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> I would presume that screen readers would not recognize them as same links.
>
> If the first one has a page name, the second one might have a
> different default page that has a different name. To be on the safe
> side, the SR would consider them separate URLs.
>
> I have not tested this. I am just thinking logically about it. You can
> test it real quickly with any screen reader though.
>
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> Behalf Of Angela French
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> Subject: [WebAIM] Link text used for multiple different destinations
>
> If I have a link on a page that goes to
> https://domain-name/folder-name/default.aspx and one that goes to
> https://domain-name/folder-name/ are they really perceived as two
> different links by screen readers, or is my evaluation tool making a
> fuss about nothing?
>
>
>
>
> Angela French
> Internet/Intranet Specialist
> Washington State Board for Community and Technical Colleges
> 360-704-4316
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From: Angela French
Date: Tue, Oct 31 2017 5:16PM
Subject: Re: Link text used for multiple different destinations
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I'm assuming you mean by putting the screen reader into links mode and read a list of links? How do I do that in NVDA?
Here is my example where this is happening: https://www.sbctc.edu/about/board/meetings.aspx. The link "About Us" is in the global navigation at the top, and it is in the breadcrumb. I have a number of examples like this. Our CMS formats the breadcrumb link to link to the directory, and the CMS makes the menu link to the default.aspx page in the directory. I cannot change either of them.

Angela French
SBCTC

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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Link text used for multiple different destinations

I would presume that screen readers would not recognize them as same links.

If the first one has a page name, the second one might have a different default page that has a different name. To be on the safe side, the SR would consider them separate URLs.

I have not tested this. I am just thinking logically about it. You can test it real quickly with any screen reader though.

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Subject: [WebAIM] Link text used for multiple different destinations

If I have a link on a page that goes to https://domain-name/folder-name/default.aspx and one that goes to https://domain-name/folder-name/ are they really perceived as two different links by screen readers, or is my evaluation tool making a fuss about nothing?




Angela French
Internet/Intranet Specialist
Washington State Board for Community and Technical Colleges
360-704-4316
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From: Bim Egan
Date: Tue, Oct 31 2017 5:28PM
Subject: Re: Link text used for multiple different destinations
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Hi Angela,

Your evaluation tool is being a pedant and wrong. Both example URL lead to
the same page, therefore, there is only one destination and you *should* be
using the same link text.

I can check on NVDA if you like, there *is* a dialog but it lists the
various element types it can list, then I suppose does a sub list of your
choice. Never thought I'd say that JFW was better, but at some things it
seems a deal easier.

HTH,

Bim


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Of Angela French
Sent: 31 October 2017 23:16
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Link text used for multiple different destinations

I'm assuming you mean by putting the screen reader into links mode and read
a list of links? How do I do that in NVDA?
Here is my example where this is happening:
https://www.sbctc.edu/about/board/meetings.aspx. The link "About Us" is in
the global navigation at the top, and it is in the breadcrumb. I have a
number of examples like this. Our CMS formats the breadcrumb link to link
to the directory, and the CMS makes the menu link to the default.aspx page
in the directory. I cannot change either of them.

Angela French
SBCTC

-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf
Of JP Jamous
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 1:02 PM
To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Link text used for multiple different destinations

I would presume that screen readers would not recognize them as same links.

If the first one has a page name, the second one might have a different
default page that has a different name. To be on the safe side, the SR would
consider them separate URLs.

I have not tested this. I am just thinking logically about it. You can test
it real quickly with any screen reader though.

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Subject: [WebAIM] Link text used for multiple different destinations

If I have a link on a page that goes to
https://domain-name/folder-name/default.aspx and one that goes to
https://domain-name/folder-name/ are they really perceived as two different
links by screen readers, or is my evaluation tool making a fuss about
nothing?




Angela French
Internet/Intranet Specialist
Washington State Board for Community and Technical Colleges
360-704-4316
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From: Swift, Daniel P.
Date: Wed, Nov 01 2017 5:46AM
Subject: Re: Link text used for multiple different destinations
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Side note and separate consideration - the two links are perceived differently through analytics (in my experience). If you are pulling traffic reports, you have two different "pages" to worry about.


Dan Swift
Senior Web Specialist
Enterprise Services
West Chester University
610.738.0589

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Subject: [WebAIM] Link text used for multiple different destinations

If I have a link on a page that goes to https://domain-name/folder-name/default.aspx and one that goes to https://domain-name/folder-name/ are they really perceived as two different links by screen readers, or is my evaluation tool making a fuss about nothing?




Angela French
Internet/Intranet Specialist
Washington State Board for Community and Technical Colleges
360-704-4316
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From: Karl Brown
Date: Wed, Nov 01 2017 6:47AM
Subject: Re: Link text used for multiple different destinations
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Hi Angela,

I don't think your tool is being pedantic, but alerting you to a *possible*
issue.

Technology doesn't know that the two URLs go to the same item as the href
attributes are pointing at different addresses, so to the tool is alerting
you "Hey, these two links have the same text but the URLs aren't identical,
someone needs to check to make sure this is OK". All the tools available
only alert us to possible issues.

In terms of actual compliance, if the links open the same page, the user
isn't being affected and it's not an issue. I wouldn't get into the habit
of assuming it's always going to be fine, though, especially if people
start going back to the bad old days of "click here" links.


On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Swift, Daniel P. < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> Side note and separate consideration - the two links are perceived
> differently through analytics (in my experience). If you are pulling
> traffic reports, you have two different "pages" to worry about.
>
>
> Dan Swift
> Senior Web Specialist
> Enterprise Services
> West Chester University
> 610.738.0589
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Angela French
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 2:21 PM
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> Subject: [WebAIM] Link text used for multiple different destinations
>
> If I have a link on a page that goes to https://domain-name/folder-
> name/default.aspx and one that goes to https://domain-name/folder-name/
> are they really perceived as two different links by screen readers, or is
> my evaluation tool making a fuss about nothing?
>
>
>
>
> Angela French
> Internet/Intranet Specialist
> Washington State Board for Community and Technical Colleges
> 360-704-4316
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> www.sbctc.edu<;http://www.sbctc.edu/>;
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From: Sarah Jevnikar
Date: Wed, Nov 01 2017 7:22AM
Subject: Re: Link text used for multiple different destinations
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Hi Angela,
I'm not sure I can be helpful with your original question, but insert/capslock+f7 will get you a list of links in NVDA.
HTH
Sarah


Sarah Jevnikar

Accessibility Consultant

Digital Echidna

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-----Original Message-----
From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Angela French
Sent: October 31, 2017 7:16 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Link text used for multiple different destinations

I'm assuming you mean by putting the screen reader into links mode and read a list of links? How do I do that in NVDA?
Here is my example where this is happening: https://www.sbctc.edu/about/board/meetings.aspx. The link "About Us" is in the global navigation at the top, and it is in the breadcrumb. I have a number of examples like this. Our CMS formats the breadcrumb link to link to the directory, and the CMS makes the menu link to the default.aspx page in the directory. I cannot change either of them.

Angela French
SBCTC

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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Link text used for multiple different destinations

I would presume that screen readers would not recognize them as same links.

If the first one has a page name, the second one might have a different default page that has a different name. To be on the safe side, the SR would consider them separate URLs.

I have not tested this. I am just thinking logically about it. You can test it real quickly with any screen reader though.

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Subject: [WebAIM] Link text used for multiple different destinations

If I have a link on a page that goes to https://domain-name/folder-name/default.aspx and one that goes to https://domain-name/folder-name/ are they really perceived as two different links by screen readers, or is my evaluation tool making a fuss about nothing?




Angela French
Internet/Intranet Specialist
Washington State Board for Community and Technical Colleges
360-704-4316
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www.sbctc.edu<;http://www.sbctc.edu/>;

From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Date: Wed, Nov 01 2017 1:58PM
Subject: Re: Link text used for multiple different destinations
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If the tool reports it as an error, that would be pedantic.
If it displays a warning, that's helpful.

1.4.4 gives a heck of a lot of programmatic context work arounds to
technically pass the WCAG requirement, including:

Putting the links in different paragraphs or sentences.

I can say click "here". And click "here". This passes WCAG,
technically, but is awful usability.

But
Click "here" or "here". would be a fail.




On 11/1/17, Sarah Jevnikar < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Hi Angela,
> I'm not sure I can be helpful with your original question, but
> insert/capslock+f7 will get you a list of links in NVDA.
> HTH
> Sarah
>
>
> Sarah Jevnikar
>
> Accessibility Consultant
>
> Digital Echidna
>
> p: 519-858-4438 ex. 211
> e: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf
> Of Angela French
> Sent: October 31, 2017 7:16 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Link text used for multiple different destinations
>
> I'm assuming you mean by putting the screen reader into links mode and read
> a list of links? How do I do that in NVDA?
> Here is my example where this is happening:
> https://www.sbctc.edu/about/board/meetings.aspx. The link "About Us" is in
> the global navigation at the top, and it is in the breadcrumb. I have a
> number of examples like this. Our CMS formats the breadcrumb link to link
> to the directory, and the CMS makes the menu link to the default.aspx page
> in the directory. I cannot change either of them.
>
> Angela French
> SBCTC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf
> Of JP Jamous
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 1:02 PM
> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Link text used for multiple different destinations
>
> I would presume that screen readers would not recognize them as same links.
>
> If the first one has a page name, the second one might have a different
> default page that has a different name. To be on the safe side, the SR would
> consider them separate URLs.
>
> I have not tested this. I am just thinking logically about it. You can test
> it real quickly with any screen reader though.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf
> Of Angela French
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 1:21 PM
> To: WebAim Forum ( = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = )
> < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: [WebAIM] Link text used for multiple different destinations
>
> If I have a link on a page that goes to
> https://domain-name/folder-name/default.aspx and one that goes to
> https://domain-name/folder-name/ are they really perceived as two different
> links by screen readers, or is my evaluation tool making a fuss about
> nothing?
>
>
>
>
> Angela French
> Internet/Intranet Specialist
> Washington State Board for Community and Technical Colleges
> 360-704-4316
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = <mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> www.sbctc.edu<;http://www.sbctc.edu/>;
>
> > > http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >
> > > http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > > > >


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