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From: Jim Thatcher
Date: Mon, Sep 23 2002 6:44PM
Subject: RE: Form Labels not recognized....
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Can you point to the place where this is going on. You code sample is not
accurate but I suspect you were abbreviating. You want
<label for-"zip">Enter you zip code</label>
...
<input type="text" id="zip" size="5" ...>

What part of this is causing trouble. If you do it like this JFW will speak
"Enter your zip code edit type a text" (HPR says "Enter your zip code text"

Jim
Accessibility Consulting
http://jimthatcher.com
512-306-0931
508 Web accessibility Tutorial: http://jimthatcher.com/webcourse1.htm

-----Original Message-----
From: Dawn Hunziker [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 1:16 PM
To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Subject: Form Labels not recognized....

Hi all,

I have an interesting situation regarding form labels....

At the University of Arizona, we are using a program that allows University
staff and students to access their email online and some Javascript is
used. I asked the author of the program to add the <label for="xxx"> xxx
</label> and the id="xxx" within the form field information which he did
correctly. I checked the page again this morning using Jaws 4.02 and the
edit field labels still say "edit" with the labels that were attached.

The page is set up using buttons for "To", "CC", and "BCC" -- all of which
you can click on to go to an address book and select the
recipients. However even the edit box with simple text (subject:) is not
being read. Do any of you have any suggestions??

Thanks in advance for any feedback you can provide. At the bottom of this
email I have included the actual text from the area with the form edit
fields.

Sincerely,

Dawn Hunziker
Assistive Technology Coordinator
Disability Resource Center
University of Arizona
520-626-9409
= EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =

<table valign="top" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1">
<tr>
<td align="right"><label for="email_to"><input type="button"
value=" To " onClick="OnPhoenixAddress(); return false"></label></td>
<td align="left"><input type="text" tabindex="1" name="msg_to"
value="" size="50" maxlength="1000" id="email_to"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="right"><label for="email_cc"><input type="button"
value=" Cc " onClick="OnPhoenixAddress(); return false"></label></td>
<td align="left"><input type="text" tabindex="2" name="msg_cc"
value="" size="50" maxlength="1000" id="email_cc"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="right"><label for="email_bcc"><input type="button"
value="Bcc" onClick="OnPhoenixAddress(); return false"></label></td>
<td align="left"><input type="text" tabindex="3" name="msg_bcc"
value="" size="50" maxlength="1000" id="email_bcc"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="right" nowrap bgColor=#cccccc><label
for="email_subject"><font face="Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"
size="2"> Subject:</font></label></td>
<td align="left"><input type="text" tabindex="4"
name="msg_subject" value="" size="50" maxlength="1000"
id="email_subject"></td>
</tr>
</table>

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From: Dawn Hunziker
Date: Tue, Sep 24 2002 10:46AM
Subject: RE: Form Labels not recognized....
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It sounds like the issue might actually be due to the fact that the edit
fields are identified through buttons / javascript -- not plain text like
the example you give below. I also contacted Freedom Scientific for
additional information and their response was that Jaws doesn't work well
with WebMail applications yet....

I think the next step will be to see if the programmers are willing to
change the look of their product so there is a hyperlink with plain text
instead of a "button" next to each edit field.

Thank you for the feedback and any additional suggestions you have about
changes that can be made are still appreciated!

Dawn

Dawn Hunziker
Assistive Technology Coordinator
Disability Resource Center
University of Arizona

At 08:35 PM 9/23/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>Can you point to the place where this is going on. You code sample is not
>accurate but I suspect you were abbreviating. You want
><label for-"zip">Enter you zip code</label>
>...
><input type="text" id="zip" size="5" ...>
>
>What part of this is causing trouble. If you do it like this JFW will speak
>"Enter your zip code edit type a text" (HPR says "Enter your zip code text"
>
>
>Jim
>Accessibility Consulting
>http://jimthatcher.com
>512-306-0931
>508 Web accessibility Tutorial: http://jimthatcher.com/webcourse1.htm
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dawn Hunziker [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
>Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 1:16 PM
>To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>Subject: Form Labels not recognized....
>
>
>Hi all,
>
>I have an interesting situation regarding form labels....
>
>At the University of Arizona, we are using a program that allows University
>staff and students to access their email online and some Javascript is
>used. I asked the author of the program to add the <label for="xxx"> xxx
></label> and the id="xxx" within the form field information which he did
>correctly. I checked the page again this morning using Jaws 4.02 and the
>edit field labels still say "edit" with the labels that were attached.
>
>The page is set up using buttons for "To", "CC", and "BCC" -- all of which
>you can click on to go to an address book and select the
>recipients. However even the edit box with simple text (subject:) is not
>being read. Do any of you have any suggestions??
>
>Thanks in advance for any feedback you can provide. At the bottom of this
>email I have included the actual text from the area with the form edit
>fields.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Dawn Hunziker
>Assistive Technology Coordinator
>Disability Resource Center
>University of Arizona
>520-626-9409
> = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>
><table valign="top" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1">
> <tr>
> <td align="right"><label for="email_to"><input type="button"
>value=" To " onClick="OnPhoenixAddress(); return false"></label></td>
> <td align="left"><input type="text" tabindex="1" name="msg_to"
>value="" size="50" maxlength="1000" id="email_to"></td>
> </tr>
> <tr>
> <td align="right"><label for="email_cc"><input type="button"
>value=" Cc " onClick="OnPhoenixAddress(); return false"></label></td>
> <td align="left"><input type="text" tabindex="2" name="msg_cc"
>value="" size="50" maxlength="1000" id="email_cc"></td>
> </tr>
> <tr>
> <td align="right"><label for="email_bcc"><input type="button"
>value="Bcc" onClick="OnPhoenixAddress(); return false"></label></td>
> <td align="left"><input type="text" tabindex="3" name="msg_bcc"
>value="" size="50" maxlength="1000" id="email_bcc"></td>
> </tr>
> <tr>
> <td align="right" nowrap bgColor=#cccccc><label
>for="email_subject"><font face="Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"
>size="2"> Subject:</font></label></td>
> <td align="left"><input type="text" tabindex="4"
>name="msg_subject" value="" size="50" maxlength="1000"
>id="email_subject"></td>
> </tr>
> </table>
>
>
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From: Jeff Rhodes
Date: Tue, Sep 24 2002 11:59AM
Subject: RE: Form Labels not recognized....
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One thing you could try is to create your own "button" through css.
I have seen this done before by applying a style to the href that will
allow it to look like a button.

On 24 Sep 2002 at 10:36, Dawn Hunziker wrote:

> It sounds like the issue might actually be due to the fact that the edit
> fields are identified through buttons / javascript -- not plain text like
> the example you give below. I also contacted Freedom Scientific for
> additional information and their response was that Jaws doesn't work well
> with WebMail applications yet....
>
> I think the next step will be to see if the programmers are willing to
> change the look of their product so there is a hyperlink with plain text
> instead of a "button" next to each edit field.
>
> Thank you for the feedback and any additional suggestions you have about
> changes that can be made are still appreciated!
>
> Dawn
>
> Dawn Hunziker
> Assistive Technology Coordinator
> Disability Resource Center
> University of Arizona
>
> At 08:35 PM 9/23/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >Can you point to the place where this is going on. You code sample is not
> >accurate but I suspect you were abbreviating. You want
> ><label for-"zip">Enter you zip code</label>
> >...
> ><input type="text" id="zip" size="5" ...>
> >
> >What part of this is causing trouble. If you do it like this JFW will speak
> >"Enter your zip code edit type a text" (HPR says "Enter your zip code text"
> >
> >
> >Jim
> >Accessibility Consulting
> >http://jimthatcher.com
> >512-306-0931
> >508 Web accessibility Tutorial: http://jimthatcher.com/webcourse1.htm
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Dawn Hunziker [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
> >Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 1:16 PM
> >To: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> >Subject: Form Labels not recognized....
> >
> >
> >Hi all,
> >
> >I have an interesting situation regarding form labels....
> >
> >At the University of Arizona, we are using a program that allows University
> >staff and students to access their email online and some Javascript is
> >used. I asked the author of the program to add the <label for="xxx"> xxx
> ></label> and the id="xxx" within the form field information which he did
> >correctly. I checked the page again this morning using Jaws 4.02 and the
> >edit field labels still say "edit" with the labels that were attached.
> >
> >The page is set up using buttons for "To", "CC", and "BCC" -- all of which
> >you can click on to go to an address book and select the
> >recipients. However even the edit box with simple text (subject:) is not
> >being read. Do any of you have any suggestions??
> >
> >Thanks in advance for any feedback you can provide. At the bottom of this
> >email I have included the actual text from the area with the form edit
> >fields.
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >
> >Dawn Hunziker
> >Assistive Technology Coordinator
> >Disability Resource Center
> >University of Arizona
> >520-626-9409
> > = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> >
> ><table valign="top" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1">
> > <tr>
> > <td align="right"><label for="email_to"><input type="button"
> >value=" To " onClick="OnPhoenixAddress(); return false"></label></td>
> > <td align="left"><input type="text" tabindex="1" name="msg_to"
> >value="" size="50" maxlength="1000" id="email_to"></td>
> > </tr>
> > <tr>
> > <td align="right"><label for="email_cc"><input type="button"
> >value=" Cc " onClick="OnPhoenixAddress(); return false"></label></td>
> > <td align="left"><input type="text" tabindex="2" name="msg_cc"
> >value="" size="50" maxlength="1000" id="email_cc"></td>
> > </tr>
> > <tr>
> > <td align="right"><label for="email_bcc"><input type="button"
> >value="Bcc" onClick="OnPhoenixAddress(); return false"></label></td>
> > <td align="left"><input type="text" tabindex="3" name="msg_bcc"
> >value="" size="50" maxlength="1000" id="email_bcc"></td>
> > </tr>
> > <tr>
> > <td align="right" nowrap bgColor=#cccccc><label
> >for="email_subject"><font face="Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"
> >size="2"> Subject:</font></label></td>
> > <td align="left"><input type="text" tabindex="4"
> >name="msg_subject" value="" size="50" maxlength="1000"
> >id="email_subject"></td>
> > </tr>
> > </table>
> >
> >
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