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From: Joseph Sherman
Date: Fri, Aug 17 2018 11:05AM
Subject: PDF Validator Failures?
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Whenever I check PDFs using Commonlook, I always get the following errors about link annotation.
"Parent tag of Link annotation doesn't define the Alt attribute." "Link Annotation doesn't define the Contents attribute."
I can fix this fairly easily. But as long as the link is descriptive text, what practical consequence does this have? The descriptive link seems to read in JAWS and NVDA just fine without ALT on the annotation.
Joseph
From: Karlen Communications
Date: Fri, Aug 17 2018 12:04PM
Subject: Re: PDF Validator Failures?
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I know, I have the same errors with Tables of Content as well as with
contextual links. I don't have a good solution. I can choose to ignore them
with my own documents but am curious to know how organizations deal with
this.
Not sure if it is a defect in what we've done with PDF/UA, the
implementation of PDF/UA by conversion tools, a problem with the
accessibility checkers or some other problem.
I also sometimes get the error that in a TOC, the <Link> Tag is looking for
unique ID's for each TOC entry. Yikes! Why didn't the conversion
tool/tagging tool do this?
Cheers, Karen
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Joseph Sherman
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 1:05 PM
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Subject: [WebAIM] PDF Validator Failures?
Whenever I check PDFs using Commonlook, I always get the following errors
about link annotation.
"Parent tag of Link annotation doesn't define the Alt attribute." "Link
Annotation doesn't define the Contents attribute."
I can fix this fairly easily. But as long as the link is descriptive text,
what practical consequence does this have? The descriptive link seems to
read in JAWS and NVDA just fine without ALT on the annotation.
Joseph
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From: Jonathan Avila
Date: Fri, Aug 17 2018 1:17PM
Subject: Re: PDF Validator Failures?
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It is my understanding that from a PDF/UA perspective that all links must have the alternative content set. Ideally authoring tools would just set this on all links. For most text links that are not url this is redundant if the text of the link already describes the link's purpose.
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From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of Karlen Communications
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:04 PM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] PDF Validator Failures?
I know, I have the same errors with Tables of Content as well as with contextual links. I don't have a good solution. I can choose to ignore them with my own documents but am curious to know how organizations deal with this.
Not sure if it is a defect in what we've done with PDF/UA, the implementation of PDF/UA by conversion tools, a problem with the accessibility checkers or some other problem.
I also sometimes get the error that in a TOC, the <Link> Tag is looking for unique ID's for each TOC entry. Yikes! Why didn't the conversion tool/tagging tool do this?
Cheers, Karen
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Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 1:05 PM
To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: [WebAIM] PDF Validator Failures?
Whenever I check PDFs using Commonlook, I always get the following errors about link annotation.
"Parent tag of Link annotation doesn't define the Alt attribute." "Link Annotation doesn't define the Contents attribute."
I can fix this fairly easily. But as long as the link is descriptive text, what practical consequence does this have? The descriptive link seems to read in JAWS and NVDA just fine without ALT on the annotation.
Joseph
From: L Snider
Date: Fri, Aug 17 2018 1:31PM
Subject: Re: PDF Validator Failures?
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Interesting that you mention the TOC issues. I find that is happening in my
Mac Word 2016 (insiders fast) using lastest Acrobat DC way more now than
before. It is driving me mad, because I thought that the convertor would
handle it automatically. I also tested it on PC, and it also did this, when
there was no reason for it, as I was using the proper TOC.
Would love to know more about how the alt for the link tags came about, in
terms of why it was mandated? From what I remember researching about a year
ago, I think there was some consensus that it was done because people
weren't using descriptive link text (which in my experience can be
difficult to achieve especially if the document is digital and to be
printed).
Cheers
Lisa
On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 1:04 PM, Karlen Communications <
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> I know, I have the same errors with Tables of Content as well as with
> contextual links. I don't have a good solution. I can choose to ignore them
> with my own documents but am curious to know how organizations deal with
> this.
>
> Not sure if it is a defect in what we've done with PDF/UA, the
> implementation of PDF/UA by conversion tools, a problem with the
> accessibility checkers or some other problem.
>
> I also sometimes get the error that in a TOC, the <Link> Tag is looking for
> unique ID's for each TOC entry. Yikes! Why didn't the conversion
> tool/tagging tool do this?
>
> Cheers, Karen
>
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> Joseph Sherman
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 1:05 PM
> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: [WebAIM] PDF Validator Failures?
>
> Whenever I check PDFs using Commonlook, I always get the following errors
> about link annotation.
>
> "Parent tag of Link annotation doesn't define the Alt attribute." "Link
> Annotation doesn't define the Contents attribute."
>
> I can fix this fairly easily. But as long as the link is descriptive text,
> what practical consequence does this have? The descriptive link seems to
> read in JAWS and NVDA just fine without ALT on the annotation.
>
>
> Joseph
>
> > > at
> http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >
> > > > >
From: chagnon@pubcom.com
Date: Fri, Aug 17 2018 10:20PM
Subject: Re: PDF Validator Failures?
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PDF/UA-1 Sec. 7.18.5 states:
"Links shall contain an alternate description via their contents key as
described in ISO 32000-1:2008."
I think this spec is ill-defined as we're all finding that a global "all
links must have alt-text" just doesn't meet users' needs well. I hope it can
be fine-tuned in PDF/UA-2.
We use our judgment when checking links for alt-text. As long as the link
itself provides enough descriptive information, Alt-text really isn't needed
and in most cases adds unnecessary verbiage to the stream that's hitting a
screen reader user's ears.
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Joseph Sherman
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 1:05 PM
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Subject: [WebAIM] PDF Validator Failures?
Whenever I check PDFs using Commonlook, I always get the following errors
about link annotation.
"Parent tag of Link annotation doesn't define the Alt attribute." "Link
Annotation doesn't define the Contents attribute."
I can fix this fairly easily. But as long as the link is descriptive text,
what practical consequence does this have? The descriptive link seems to
read in JAWS and NVDA just fine without ALT on the annotation.
Joseph