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From: Sandy Feldman
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2018 7:16AM
Subject: navigation and accessibility - is the back button enough?
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hey all,

I am hoping someone can help me figure out if 3.2.3 Consistent
Navigation applies here.

A section of a site has a landing page with five links on it -

"About us" is the landing page, and it has links to

  * who we are
  * what we do
  * mission
  * values
  * history

Click any of these links and you get to a page with *no* links to any of
the other "About us" pages. The only way to go through all five links is
to click the back button and go back and forth.

Does this count as inconsistent navigation? It's really missing
navigation. Navigational mechanisms are NOT being repeated on multiple
Web pages. Is there some other WCAG guideline that applies? Is this
actually ok?!

thanks so much!
Sandy

From: Beranek, Nicholas
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2018 7:55AM
Subject: Re: [External Sender] navigation and accessibility - is the back button enough?
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Hi Sandy,

I think that SC 2.4.5 Multiple Ways is more appropriate here:

"More than one way is available to locate a Web page within a set of Web pages except where the Web Page is the result of, or a step in, a process."

As you mentioned, SC 3.2.3 is for when navigation is repeated on multiple pages in the same relative order (e.g. same position relative to others). Since no navigation is present, then it does not apply.

I hope that this helps!

Nick Beranek
Capital One

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Subject: [External Sender] [WebAIM] navigation and accessibility - is the back button enough?

hey all,

I am hoping someone can help me figure out if 3.2.3 Consistent Navigation applies here.

A section of a site has a landing page with five links on it -

"About us" is the landing page, and it has links to

  * who we are
  * what we do
  * mission
  * values
  * history

Click any of these links and you get to a page with *no* links to any of the other "About us" pages. The only way to go through all five links is to click the back button and go back and forth.

Does this count as inconsistent navigation? It's really missing navigation. Navigational mechanisms are NOT being repeated on multiple Web pages. Is there some other WCAG guideline that applies? Is this actually ok?!

thanks so much!
Sandy

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From: Sandy Feldman
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2018 8:07AM
Subject: Re: [External Sender] navigation and accessibility - is the back button enough?
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Does it EVER help! Thanks so much Nicholas. I needed something to point
to here and you found it.

best, Sandy


On 2018-08-22 9:55 AM, Beranek, Nicholas via WebAIM-Forum wrote:
> Hi Sandy,
>
> I think that SC 2.4.5 Multiple Ways is more appropriate here:
>
> "More than one way is available to locate a Web page within a set of Web pages except where the Web Page is the result of, or a step in, a process."
>
> As you mentioned, SC 3.2.3 is for when navigation is repeated on multiple pages in the same relative order (e.g. same position relative to others). Since no navigation is present, then it does not apply.
>
> I hope that this helps!
>
> Nick Beranek
> Capital One
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Sandy Feldman
> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 9:16 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: [External Sender] [WebAIM] navigation and accessibility - is the back button enough?
>
> hey all,
>
> I am hoping someone can help me figure out if 3.2.3 Consistent Navigation applies here.
>
> A section of a site has a landing page with five links on it -
>
> "About us" is the landing page, and it has links to
>
>   * who we are
>   * what we do
>   * mission
>   * values
>   * history
>
> Click any of these links and you get to a page with *no* links to any of the other "About us" pages. The only way to go through all five links is to click the back button and go back and forth.
>
> Does this count as inconsistent navigation? It's really missing navigation. Navigational mechanisms are NOT being repeated on multiple Web pages. Is there some other WCAG guideline that applies? Is this actually ok?!
>
> thanks so much!
> Sandy
> >
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> > > > --
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From: Meacham, Steve - FSA, Kansas City, MO
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2018 8:21AM
Subject: Re: navigation and accessibility - is the back button enough?
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That's a tough one for me. I don't know if 3.2.3 would be the issue, but I'd be concerned about 2.4.8 - location. It's a AAA.

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Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 8:16 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: [WebAIM] navigation and accessibility - is the back button enough?

hey all,

I am hoping someone can help me figure out if 3.2.3 Consistent Navigation applies here.

A section of a site has a landing page with five links on it -

"About us" is the landing page, and it has links to

* who we are
* what we do
* mission
* values
* history

Click any of these links and you get to a page with *no* links to any of the other "About us" pages. The only way to go through all five links is to click the back button and go back and forth.

Does this count as inconsistent navigation? It's really missing navigation. Navigational mechanisms are NOT being repeated on multiple Web pages. Is there some other WCAG guideline that applies? Is this actually ok?!

thanks so much!
Sandy


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From: Sandy Feldman
Date: Wed, Aug 22 2018 8:28AM
Subject: Re: navigation and accessibility - is the back button enough?
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2.4.8 is what I was looking for.

I can't think of a more effective way to lose someone in a web site than
not to provide navigation. Expecting everyone, including people with
cognitive disabilities, to just remember where they were and go back
seems unrealistic to me.

Sandy


On 2018-08-22 10:21 AM, Meacham, Steve - FSA, Kansas City, MO wrote:
> That's a tough one for me. I don't know if 3.2.3 would be the issue, but I'd be concerned about 2.4.8 - location. It's a AAA.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > On Behalf Of Sandy Feldman
> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 8:16 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Subject: [WebAIM] navigation and accessibility - is the back button enough?
>
> hey all,
>
> I am hoping someone can help me figure out if 3.2.3 Consistent Navigation applies here.
>
> A section of a site has a landing page with five links on it -
>
> "About us" is the landing page, and it has links to
>
> * who we are
> * what we do
> * mission
> * values
> * history
>
> Click any of these links and you get to a page with *no* links to any of the other "About us" pages. The only way to go through all five links is to click the back button and go back and forth.
>
> Does this count as inconsistent navigation? It's really missing navigation. Navigational mechanisms are NOT being repeated on multiple Web pages. Is there some other WCAG guideline that applies? Is this actually ok?!
>
> thanks so much!
> Sandy
>
>
> > > >
>
>
>
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