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From: Dona Patrick
Date: Fri, Mar 08 2019 9:33AM
Subject: Acrobat dropping some table cell properties
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I think Acrobat is gaslighting me. I have recently remediated two PDF files
that contained some complex tables to which I added id and headers
attributes. After saving (as) the file the id attributes have remained but
the associated headers and the row/column span attributes have disappeared.

I know these attributes were there just an hour ago because I ran it
through JAWS to make sure it was reading properly and made some fixes,
always saving (as).

This is not the only time I have seen this either and I think it has
happened to colleagues.

Is this a software bug? Perhaps something is wrong with my installation of
Acrobat professional?

Has anyone else seen this happen?

Thanks for any feedback.

Dona

From: JP Jamous
Date: Fri, Mar 08 2019 12:08PM
Subject: Re: Acrobat dropping some table cell properties
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Dona,

Did you test it with NVDA? I know that we found a bug related to JAWS with
our PDF team. Everything was being read properly with NVDA, but JAWS would
not announce the first column.

When we exported the PDF to HTML and XML, everything was semantically
correct. So we had to file a bug with FS regarding this.



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I think Acrobat is gaslighting me. I have recently remediated two PDF files
that contained some complex tables to which I added id and headers
attributes. After saving (as) the file the id attributes have remained but
the associated headers and the row/column span attributes have disappeared.

I know these attributes were there just an hour ago because I ran it through
JAWS to make sure it was reading properly and made some fixes, always saving
(as).

This is not the only time I have seen this either and I think it has
happened to colleagues.

Is this a software bug? Perhaps something is wrong with my installation of
Acrobat professional?

Has anyone else seen this happen?

Thanks for any feedback.

Dona
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From: Elizabeth Thomas
Date: Fri, Mar 08 2019 1:47PM
Subject: Re: Acrobat dropping some table cell properties
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Dona,
I'm wondering if the source document might be the issue. I've had weird things like that happen when the source document was created in an older version of Excel or Word. I've also had attributes disappear if I've edited the PDF at all. In those cases, I had to add the attributes again. Generally, it has happened when the source document was from an older version of Office (or was in an older file format).

Sorry- not sure if that's at all helpful!

-Elizabeth

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> On Mar 8, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Dona Patrick < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> I think Acrobat is gaslighting me. I have recently remediated two PDF files
> that contained some complex tables to which I added id and headers
> attributes. After saving (as) the file the id attributes have remained but
> the associated headers and the row/column span attributes have disappeared.
>
> I know these attributes were there just an hour ago because I ran it
> through JAWS to make sure it was reading properly and made some fixes,
> always saving (as).
>
> This is not the only time I have seen this either and I think it has
> happened to colleagues.
>
> Is this a software bug? Perhaps something is wrong with my installation of
> Acrobat professional?
>
> Has anyone else seen this happen?
>
> Thanks for any feedback.
>
> Dona
>

From: Dona Patrick
Date: Fri, Mar 08 2019 3:07PM
Subject: Re: Acrobat dropping some table cell properties
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Elizabeth! I think you are on to something. I edited both PDF files. This
last one, however, wasn't edited after I know that all table cell
properties were correct.

Dona

On Fri, Mar 8, 2019, 3:47 PM Elizabeth Thomas < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> Dona,
> I'm wondering if the source document might be the issue. I've had weird
> things like that happen when the source document was created in an older
> version of Excel or Word. I've also had attributes disappear if I've edited
> the PDF at all. In those cases, I had to add the attributes again.
> Generally, it has happened when the source document was from an older
> version of Office (or was in an older file format).
>
> Sorry- not sure if that's at all helpful!
>
> -Elizabeth
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 8, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Dona Patrick < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> >
> > I think Acrobat is gaslighting me. I have recently remediated two PDF
> files
> > that contained some complex tables to which I added id and headers
> > attributes. After saving (as) the file the id attributes have remained
> but
> > the associated headers and the row/column span attributes have
> disappeared.
> >
> > I know these attributes were there just an hour ago because I ran it
> > through JAWS to make sure it was reading properly and made some fixes,
> > always saving (as).
> >
> > This is not the only time I have seen this either and I think it has
> > happened to colleagues.
> >
> > Is this a software bug? Perhaps something is wrong with my installation
> of
> > Acrobat professional?
> >
> > Has anyone else seen this happen?
> >
> > Thanks for any feedback.
> >
> > Dona
> >
>

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Date: Fri, Mar 08 2019 5:05PM
Subject: Re: Acrobat dropping some table cell properties
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I would check whether the table cells are really all fine. Good tools to quickly check that are the free PAC 3 ( → Screen Reader Preview) and the free callas pdfGoHTML plug-in for Adobe Acrobat Pro.

Olaf


> On 8. Mar 2019, at 23:07, Dona Patrick < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> Elizabeth! I think you are on to something. I edited both PDF files. This
> last one, however, wasn't edited after I know that all table cell
> properties were correct.
>
> Dona
>
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019, 3:47 PM Elizabeth Thomas < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
>> Dona,
>> I'm wondering if the source document might be the issue. I've had weird
>> things like that happen when the source document was created in an older
>> version of Excel or Word. I've also had attributes disappear if I've edited
>> the PDF at all. In those cases, I had to add the attributes again.
>> Generally, it has happened when the source document was from an older
>> version of Office (or was in an older file format).
>>
>> Sorry- not sure if that's at all helpful!
>>
>> -Elizabeth
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Mar 8, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Dona Patrick < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>>>
>>> I think Acrobat is gaslighting me. I have recently remediated two PDF
>> files
>>> that contained some complex tables to which I added id and headers
>>> attributes. After saving (as) the file the id attributes have remained
>> but
>>> the associated headers and the row/column span attributes have
>> disappeared.
>>>
>>> I know these attributes were there just an hour ago because I ran it
>>> through JAWS to make sure it was reading properly and made some fixes,
>>> always saving (as).
>>>
>>> This is not the only time I have seen this either and I think it has
>>> happened to colleagues.
>>>
>>> Is this a software bug? Perhaps something is wrong with my installation
>> of
>>> Acrobat professional?
>>>
>>> Has anyone else seen this happen?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any feedback.
>>>
>>> Dona
>>>
>>
> > > >